Flicker Free LED Lightning it's the most important thing! Which one to buy?

seeker_of_no_light

hayder1983 Please report back your experiences with these Paulmann light bulbs, since that would be awesome if they would work considering that they're cheap and I also reside in Germany, because Waveform sent out an email telling previous internationals customers that they are pondering raising shipping charges 🤔

hayder1983

seeker_of_no_light

Seems like hue white and color is using 100hz PWM with a flicker index of 0,3(if they didnt change sth). I find that good to know, because i find them barely acceptable, so flicker index of 0 should be less strain?! And it seems like my eyes like 100hz flicker more than 1000+hz flicker.

I will share when i get the paulmann LEDs. 😉

http://fastvoice.net/2015/07/04/im-test-was-bei-philips-hue-spass-macht-und-was-nicht-so/

hayder1983

seeker_of_no_light Paulmann light bulbs arrived. I used them for a day, just for ambient light behing my monitor. Very nice. Nice color temperature, light does look a bit like an old light bulb(not exactly, but close). And they really have very little flicker(at least to my eyes). Better than any bulb i tested so far. I will test the e27(3,5W and 5,5W) for the kids room.

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01K3ERHGC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B07G59VBW4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

hayder1983

Another flickerfree bulb from civillight, but the product isnt available anymore. They still make light bulbs. But no flickerindex is shown an amazon.

But it is very hard to say anything about the new lightbulbs. A flickermeter and some testing would be a good solution…

http://fastvoice.net/2015/07/14/doppeltest-farbtreue-eye-care-und-sunwhite-led-lampen-von-civilight/

hayder1983

hayder1983 i will try those too. Alexa compatible and a flickerindex of 0. I need 2 of those for my living room, if they are more acceptable than hue, i find the price acceptable. This is a small german manufacterer it seems, i never heard of them before, but worth a shot.

EDIT: I wrote them very politely asking them why it is only 0 and which frequency they use for their PWM. Perhaps they will enlighten us 🙂

EDIT: I also wrote Paulmann. They are both german manufacterers, i think they will answer. Lets see and wait.

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B09MK9YQDJ/ref=sspa_dk_detail_3?pf_rd_p=289b45a0-8ca0-4af2-9c85-5b0e57eb93c5&pf_rd_r=7A3Z3M3K10Z6WY6EMKSK&pd_rd_wg=jMGfb&pd_rd_w=VpC2x&content-id=amzn1.sym.289b45a0-8ca0-4af2-9c85-5b0e57eb93c5&pd_rd_r=59f1ee51-c114-4b58-9b24-64ebdc5ba08f&s=kitchen&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWw&th=1

seeker_of_no_light

hayder1983 thanks for the update. Interesting indeed. I'm really satisfied with my Waveform light bulbs, but I definitely will try to give these a try, not only are they basically gifted to you, but I would love to have something along the lines of 200 to 400 lumen, because having an option to light my transparent DIY monitor experiments during nighttime would be nice and unfortunately all of the Waveform lightbulbs are way too bright to my eyes for that type of usage 🤔

hayder1983

seeker_of_no_light I ordered a flickermeter. I think it only can go up to 100/120hz, but it is enough for light bulbs and measuring lux, flicker index, flicker rate(it calculates everything according to description). I ordered it to sort out flickery/defective LED light bulbs. I will try it on my new lightbulbs and share afterwards.

hayder1983

seeker_of_no_light I am very sorry. This is the flicker of the new Paulmann leds. Dont buy them. They were cheap, but that is not what i wanted.

Michael-Nurse-Dev

I have a small Lithium Iron Phosphate battery and a 12v DC Floodlight that I use connected directly with clamps to the battery. It SEEMS pleasant but I can't test it with a flicker meter or anything.

ryans

From what I understand, the USA ban includes rough service bulbs too 🙁

Sunspark

ryans From what I understand, the USA ban includes rough service bulbs too

That's awful. I wonder if it'll include christmas lights.. I'll have to check that.. but that aside, you can order rough service from Amazon Canada. And barring that, other countries through Alibaba, etc.

ensete

ryans I do not believe that is the case, rough service bulbs have a higher efficiency rating which falls under the required efficiency rating

hayder1983

Flicker of my hue light bulbs(color and white). 2712 nits spikes. 100% brightness.

hayder1983

My best led is from 2015. I only have one of it(Osram). Even the "bad" IKEA bulb from 2015 is better than anything new i have in my flat. Tested all of my light bulbs and lightings. Some of the old LEDs are ok, all new ones are super-flickery. 🙁 No wonder my eyes are hurting all the time.

I will test green&co at the weekend, didnt return them until now.

beacon

Hi everyone! I'm new here, but have been bothered by flicker for many years. I've finally had enough and decided to do something about it.

Thanks to @hayder1983 I became aware of the Opple Light Master and created a resource to help everyone find genuinely flicker-free light bulbs (and other products in the future). Have a look here: www.flickeralliance.org

What really surprised me is that one of the best-performing light bulbs I've found so far is also one of the cheapest. And it's from IKEA. They released this new series of light bulbs about a year ago and most (but not all) of them in the product line are genuinely flicker-free. Check out their press release here.

I would love to hear your feedback, what I can do to improve the site, what other products would be useful for you to have tested, etc.

Best,
Thomas

EyeDiscomfortCertificate

beacon I have used Ikea bulbs and did not like the color spectrum. Not terrible, but not good either,

seeker_of_no_light

beacon thanks for the resource and the effort you put into it! Right now I'm fine with my light, but I'll make sure to check out some of the bulbs you already tested.

Lp149

hayder1983 Same with me. Cannot use the newer LED's

Like you, halogen globes are fine for me.

ensete

I found "flicker free" LED's are just as bad as non flicker free for me. The accuracy of the color temperature is far more important.

Sunspark

I would agree with that. I remember the old cheap CCFLs that didn't have much in terms of phosphor.. the bad ones, things looked almost black and white.

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