11 days later

I've just upgraded from a Gigabyte 970 G1 Gaming card to a Gigabyte 1070 G1 Gaming model. I'm a bit suspicious as to whether the new card is causing eye strain. Nothing else has changed so I'm trying some back and forth card swaps.

    AgentX20 Check the config? I was messing with Display Port / HDMI (unplugging and plugging in during the process) and discovered after plugging the HDMI back in the card has reset to auto and dithering was enabled

    Interesting, my previous card had two DVI ports that I used. This one - the 1070 - has three DP, HDMI and one DVI so I have a DP-DVI adaptor to get me the two DVIs I need.

    Can you elaborate on why/when it might enable dithering and how to determine if it's enabled? What I think I might be seeing is very subtle whatever is going on so I'm very interested in your comments on this.

    I should add - unlike the OP I'm on Windows.

      On Windows temporal dithering should be off by default. Unlike proprietary Linux drivers.
      Maybe you use another software/game now? The best driver and graphics card won't help if the software is doing unnecessary stuff.

        KM It's not on "On" on linux, rather Auto. I suspect the same is for windows
        If OP is experiencing a possible issue, checking would be wiser then not.

        AgentX20 Do you have any nvidia-config software?

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          I'm aware that temporal dithering is off by default on Windows, which is why I've been rather puzzled about my perceived low level eye-strain. It's not a sure-thing 'argh my eyes/head' like what I experienced with an Acer XB271HU recently despite all the flicker-free, low blue light mode, high refresh features.

          it is possible it is a combination of tiredness and certain games/sims, so I'm still testing things out with the old and new card. Or it could be something to do with having a DP->DVI adaptor. Or maybe the Pascal architecture/drivers do things a little different?

          Either way I don't know of any Windows tools that will tell me whether dithering is active.

            This new GTX 1070 card is DEFINITELY causing headaches, whereas my 970 was OK.
            Same drivers, same screens. Argh,

            On the "Nvidia has dithering disabled" I had a little popup on the "Auto"
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            This is the linux one, but I imagine it follows similar rules for windows. Sort of a "backup plan" for the card.

            AgentX20 I don't know of windows software for nvidia, but it must be available, any software come with the card?

            Based on this thread, I see 1 bad for GTX 1070. JTL, is it presenting any issues to you?

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              I swapped back to my original video card, old drivers and original screen and cables and was still experiencing some of the headaches, although not quite as bad.

              I've just been to get my eyes checked - and well, it looks like I need glasses from here on out.

              That means I'll have to reserve judgement on the issues I've reported (many/most LED screens, PWM, CCFL vs LED backlights, stresses over certain video cards etc) until I get those dialled in. I do still expect that LED screens are going to be problematic but I'll be intrigued to see what if any issues follow once I'm used to the glasses.

              I'll be sure to report back here.

              Slacor Based on this thread, I see 1 bad for GTX 1070. JTL, is it presenting any issues to you?

              No. Then again I'm using it with a 144hz TN monitor. I upgraded from my previous GTX 560 which was fine with many displays, seems to be the case here. 😃

              a month later

              As a long overdue update:

              I'm definitely still having problems with my Gigabyte Gaming G1 1070 card, irrespective of the driver version. It's causing low level headaches and visual disturbances. Nothing I've tried has resolved it satisfactorily so far. (I'm wearing glasses now, brightness on the monitor is above the PWM threshold etc). For reference I'm very happily using a near identical screen with a Gigabyte 970 card in the PC next to the 1070 PC without any issues.

              Unfortunately I've been unable to find a single instance of anyone else suffering from these hassles anywhere.

              22 days later

              Does anyone else have any experience with the new Nvidia 10 series video cards?

              In my situation I have a screen I know works absolutely fine for me (CCFL, Dell 24", brightness well above PWM levels) and has done so for many many years, that worked (works!) great when attached to an Nvidia 970 card via DVI.

              Now having attached said screen to a 1070 card via DVI connection, I get bad eye strain on the desktop and in 3D games. In fact I only have to have it in my peripheral vision (kids playing) and I start developing the headache sensations.

              As I've remarked above I've been unable to find anyone else who has reported such problems. I've triple checked the connections, brightness settings and have the latest drivers.

              I fear all 10 series cards are doing SOMETHING with the image that's incompatible with me - which is seriously worrying as someone who has had Nvidia cards for years, without any problems on these same screens. Maybe it's a one-off problem or manufacturer specific somehow, but how on earth do I find out? It's not like I can borrow a bunch of these cards.

                AgentX20 That is very odd. I have a EVGA GTX 1070 reference edition that seems fine to look at with several screens.

                But with time if there was a distinct problem with the 10xx cards maybe more people will complain.

                Isn't your issue mostly with PWM though JTL?

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                  degen Yes

                  Just stating what card model I have exactly for reference purposes.

                  degen Also how's it going? Haven't seen you on here in a while.

                  Plasma (Panasonic ST60) + GTX 970 was my ticket out of the hell I was living. When I got it right I found I could use a PC for hours again. So I started engaging with the world again, and I've hardly stopped to look back, except now. I'm feeling more than a little vulnerable being reliant upon a technology which is no longer in production (plasma, of course) and the possibility (however small) that current or future Nvidia products won't deliver the same kind of results for me. LIterally I want to stockpile old plasma's and 970s.

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                    degen I have tried Plasma TV's before (some circa 2007-2010 Panasonics) but the flicker seems to bother me. I know @jasonpicard has some Samsung Plasma TV's so I wonder if those flicker too.

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