Today I was prescribed by an eye doctor drops containing vitamins to get rid of the twitching around my left eye. Luckily the spams showed up right while I was talking to him (Murphy law was violated). If I got it correctly, because our conversation was based on some kinda local google translator, if the problem persists I could get botox injections. Does it make sense? Is not that what chicks use to make themselves more beautiful? Anyhow, he said it is all caused by computer eyestrain. And I was like you got it! However, he did not comment on the fact that the twitching starts after seconds on my laptop and not hours. He also confirmed the weird neck pain is due to the eyestrain, and advised me to use electronic devices less. Less than seconds???
I asked if it could make sense to get vision therapy and where. That is actually the main reasons why I went. He (his google translator) said we do not use "folk remedies" here.
Not sure which way to go, except desperately looking at an hardware solution which temporarily drags me to peace, until the new laptop or update screw everything again. Maybe I should start getting high on botox. Maybe it is better than JTL's oil :-)

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    AGI Less than seconds???

    The doctor I recently visited said it was unusual for symptoms to kick in within seconds after turning on problematic lights or displays. Nevertheless they were confident that prismatic lenses would help. The symptoms I described - eye strain, burning eyes, headaches - are typical for a convergence issue they said. Just not within seconds. I also mentioned my left eye usually hurts first and the location of the pain I described fitted their theory. I will report back in some days if the prismatic lense helps. It did not help the very next day. Usual symptoms within seconds. (Plus staying for many hours after stopping the exposure)

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      KM I will report back in some days if the prismatic lense helps.

      Did you wear any type of spectacles before?
      Were you also given eye exercises?
      When you say doctor, do you mean an eye doctor or an optometrist? I was explained the latter is not a medical doctor except in the US?

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        AGI Yes, I currently wear +0.5 diopters prescribed recently by normal eye doctors. They want to increase it to +2.0 in slow steps every few months. Any other doctor before said I don't need glasses. I admit I see sharp despite the farsight. Last week I was at my local university eye clinic and was diagnosed with a conversion issue. The head of department himself was attending. A week later I visited their orthoptic department and got 4 pdpt (prism diopters) applied later in form of a patch/foil on the right glass. Their head of department talked to me, too. I'm still waiting for the detailed written report.

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          KM Yes, I currently wear +0.5 diopters prescribed recently by normal eye doctors. They want to increase it to +2.0 in slow steps every few months.

          Was this a plan to fight your symptoms at electronic devices?

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            AGI Yes, like 2 months ago I once again wanted to know if there's something wrong on the eye level despite previous doctors always saying "you don't need glasses" and after having visited 3 neurologists and an alternative practitioner, all who had no idea either and had never heard of the problem. This time with very strong eye drops the eye doctors measured 2.0 dpt, but some days later with +2.0 test glasses I couldn't see sharp at all at a distance of 2 m and more. So their plan is to slowly let the eyes adapt to increasing diopters.
            Until the sight is 100% corrected I can't be sure the cause of the eye strain is not the eyes. Which I always thought up until 2 months ago.

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              KM Thanks. Are not the drops normally put after that eye test with the table at a few meters? Or do you mean the test was repeated after the drops and then you needed 2.0 dpt to see sharp?
              So now you have 2.0 dpt and prismatic lenses, or do the latter imply getting rid of the former?

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                AGI Under the effect of the eye drops they measured 2.0 dpt. I'm not sure if that measurement was done right since the doctor spoke broken German. I think the farsight and the convergence issue are separate issues. Currently I wear +0.5 dpt on both eyes and 4 pdpt on the right eye.

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                Since this was the first time I was given vitamin drops for my eyes, I was checking on what they could potentially do. I bumped into this article

                https://www.vitamindcouncil.org/new-study-suggests-vitamin-d-deficiency-is-related-to-dry-eye-08-2015/#.XE55Fy-B3BI

                From memory the only thing that I was told was eventually off in my blood exams a few times was vitamin D.

                Does any of you have the two, low levels of vitamin D and dry eyes?

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                  AGI The last time I checked I had a little less D than average. But nothing major. I then took some supplements.
                  I always wake up with dry eyes when having looked at displays or certain room lighting the day before. The dryness doesn't last longer than some minutes.

                  The eyedrops I was given pretty immediately soothed the twitching of my eyelids and made looking at the display more comfortable. Happy but surprised/curious, I played around with Google Translate and Google. The product description says "This preparation of vitamin B12 improves muscle function related to eye focusing. It is usually used to treat eyestrain." The active ingredient is cyanocobalamin. I thought it were a drug, but according to WebMed "is a man-made form of vitamin B12 used to prevent and treat low blood levels of this vitamin".

                    AGI What is the name of the eyedrop?

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                      martin Hi Martin, can you please remind me, is heterophoria what you have been diagnosed with? In case, by whom, a "classic" eye doctor or an optometrist?
                      Have you always had sight problems, especially when using electronic devices, or is a recent issue? Thanks!

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                      @AGI Continuing discussion from the other thread.

                      The Sancoba eyedrops have regulatory approval in Japan to treat asthenopia. My product (Bausch + Lomb Vitamine B12 Chauvin) has a different indication in France. The only difference between the products as far as I can tell are the inactives. I ordered it online and yes it is a medicine. The Sancoba eyedrops are considered a medicine as well, but at least your doctor has indicated them for you.

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                      martin Thanks for the info.

                      "If decompensation occurs in childhood, the child will develop a manifest strabismus, suppression will occur to overcome diplopia and binocular single vision will be lost." This is me.

                      I have had these issues all my life due to premature birth, and have alternating esotropia. I have had multiple surgeries to try to correct my squint however even within the last year when speaking to my surgeon, he stated that it could improve my eyes cosmetically, however binocular vision will not be possible, and there is always the risk of over correction, which would look even worse.

                      On top of this due to my premature birth my eyes are irregularly shaped, which will change how light enters and hits the retina. (Astigmatism?) Also pretty short sighted (approx -8 left eye -12 right eye).

                      Just saying as somebody who has always had these issues, and used all screens OK until >2012, it's not my eyesight that is causing the problem.

                      However I agree that everybody on this forum should get a thorough check-up with a specialist.

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