hey, Still not fully revoered from surgeries. Moreover I got sleeping problems.
Now I'm trying Ikervis eye drops which is the same as Restatis, but available in europe.
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hey, Besides our technical discussion I come up with another health idea resulting from a consultation.
To summarize: many of us suffer from sinusitis and frequent inflammations in the ENT area. Also many of us are grinding their teeth.
Also susceptibility to infections and high inflammation markers go hand in hand with the upper symptoms.
Furthermore I think that it is clear that the eye is also affected from those inflammations.
However what is the root from this inflammation tedency?
The answer from this doctor was food intolerance. Do not mix this intolerance with an allergy. Also it is not neccesary that you have problems with your gastrointestinal tract.
No it's time to find out which intolerance I'm suffering from (Lactose, Fructose, Histamine,…)
Maybe some of you also have time to do such tests or at least think about it.
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People have reported relief from going gluten free. I have not tried it personally.
Hi guys, just thought I'd chip in. I'm 33 and I have some of the issues that are described in here. I haven't fully investigated all of them as possible causes for my issues. I suffer from migraines caused by temporal dithering. They are ALWAYS in my left eye. If I push up hard in the top right of my left eye where it meets my nose the pain largely goes away (the nausea doesn't). 30 mins on a Macbook these days can wipe me out for 2 days. I take Sumatriptan as a reliever which works but has undesirable side effects (makes me reallly groggy and slow, not good as I teach music production). I take Propanalol as a preventative, but this has made me gain a fair bit of weight.
With regards to other possibly related issues:
- I have a problem with my temporomandibular - it clicks every time I open and close my mouth. I've always had this. Any thoughts as to what to do about this would be great.
- I get some distortion in my left ear with loud high / midrange frequencies, particularly when my ears has undergone pressure change like having been on a plane
- I also grind my teeth although have never looked into any treatment for this.
- when I take Sumatriptan to cause a migraine I feel like my left sinus clears (like I've taken a bit blast of eucalyptus when I have a cold) and this happens before the migraine lifts
For me prevention is all about avoiding the triggers, but this is tricky since I teach music production and everyone uses Macbooks. Exercise helps but isn't the solution. Hope that helps someone, would be great to put all this data together at some point as there could be something in all this... :]
si_edgey There is so much stuff here that is similar to me. I bet if we talked further we might be able to find more similarities (and maybe connect those similarities). The TMJ, ear problems, hyperacusis (I believe that's what you describe. I have it) are all familiar. Just posting now because I'm not feeling well at all and might forget.
I think a lot of us have TMJ issues. But then again, I think a huge percentage of the population does. I have sinus issues - although not acute, I've been on some kind of decongestant/antihistamine since I was a teenager - and TMJ (I wear a nightguard and that blunts 90+% of the symptoms). But the eyestrain started only about 5 years ago... roughly the same time that I started needing reading glasses.
The #1 co-mordidity I ave seen among LED sensitive folks, and migraine suffers in general, is sinus problems. A lot of the nerves that are involved in the issues we are dealing with run through the various sinus cavities and the pallete/roof of your mouth. I've talked to 2 people who had to have pallete surgery for unrelated reasons and in both cases as a side effect they were completely cured of thier light sensitivity.
If I had to make a rough guess I would say the correlation between folks I have met IRL and online with light sensitivity and sinus issues is over 95%.
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I've been thinking more and more about this lately.
The amount of motion blur in my BenQ EW2750ZL is terrible. I didn't think I cared that much about it, but now I think bad motion handling is the next stumbling block now that I've taken care of issues like GPU, OS, PWM, dithering, what have you. The bad motion handling takes a toll overall. The amount of processing the brain has to do to interpret an image from your average LCD seems like a probable culprit.
I've been reading the Blur Busters forum: https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewforum.php?f=7t=3495
This is a good topic to discuss and share. There must a common link, a common factor why all of us gets eye strain, yet other people do not. There must be something that each of us have in common.
Reading this thread, I noticed that many people have sinus. I also have sinus. This could be one of the reason, but I suspect not the main reason. Likely it is a combination of multiple factors, we just dont know what yet.
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Kray As I mentioned, it's the #1 co morbidity to light sensitivity I have found. And I've come across two people who had pallete surgery and as an aftereffect it cured their light sensitivity.
A LOT of nerves run through that area and it is obscenely common for refereed pain to actually be generated from a nerve in a sinus region. I had ongoing pain in my ear and jaw and it was ultimately due to a sphenoid sinus issue on the other side of my head that required surgery to correct.
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Can you please describe your ideas more exaclty.
I've permanent pain in my left TMJ. However the chronical sinusitis and the chronical ENT problems are on the right. Also the right eye is more affected from strain problems.
May you also please describe your "sinus" problems more precisely. It's always difficult to translate and to understand with such shortcuts.
Harrison Sure.
I won't go into the backstory, but I was suffering from a sense of "Fullness" in my right ear and a pain in my right jawline, about an inch below where the TMJ is. I went to my regular doctor, who referred me to a crappy ENT. The crappy ENT looked and didn't see anything wrong, gave me a course of steroid and antibiotics and sent me on my way. Neither helped. I then found a specialist in facial pain, I went to see him, he wasn't much of a help, I then saw a dermotologist, he said it was some skin infection in my ear, gave me drops, they didnt help. I went to a dentist, examined me, said nothign was wrong, sent me on my way. Basically every examination came back negative.
I finally got in to see an excellent ENT who thought to actually do a Cat scan of my head (who'd a thunk?) and the scan showed my right sphenoid sinus was complety blocked. The opening had sealed and the sinus was filled with infected mucus. He said the sphenoid sinus is much further back in the head, and you can be breathing 100% clearly and still have an infected sphenoid. He also said that area of the head has a lot of nerves running through it, and he hypothesized the ear and jaw pain was actually refered pain from the sphenoid sinus irritating nerves in that spot, and there was nothing actually wrong with my ear or jaw.
The only way to solve this was surgery, which I underwent. When I came out of the surgery the jaw pain was completely gone, and the ear sensation cleared up in about 2 weeks, and both have been gone since then (about 3 years now)
It hasn't done anything for my light sensitivity, but I have met 2 people who had thier light sensitivity cured via pallete surgery for an unrelated condition. Whichleads me to believe the nerves that are involved in the eye strain run through the sinus/pallete area, since so many of us suffer from sinus issues as well
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hey,
I always came up with the theory, that there is not a certain technical thing which causes our eyestrain.
My theory: Our eyes are permanentely "tired" and a bit strainend which is however perfectly ok in everyday life. So than comes: "better picture", pwm, dithering,....
A normal person won't be affected from such things or just a little bit, however if your eyes are always a bit strainend only a bit more stress for the eyes leads to heavy eyestrain. This also explains why we don't find "the technical reason" for us. The reason is a bit more stress for your eyes.
@ensete theories also pretty much helped me.
Today my dentist and orthodondist connected me to an absolut expert for jaw problems in my hometown. (I don't know why I've never heared of her).
A short summary of what she said:
I have problems with the contact of my upper and lower front teeth. (Thats the same my orthodontist said, however he didn't know the reason.)
This leads to problems with muscles in my neck, shoulders,... and so on. This contact problem also leads to chronical sinusitis and problems in the hole ENT area.
Moreover she also guessed that I have problems with my eyes - which is absolutely correct. Explainend me why and also told me about the permanent strained position of my eyes.
Long story short she was not surprised that I have so many problems and said that pretty much of her patients have similar symptons and come with a big history to her, while any other expert told them, that they are very healthy.
In one month is the next appointment. Hope the best for it. Today was just a counseling.
Harrison My theory: Our eyes are permanentely "tired" and a bit strainend which is however perfectly ok in everyday life.
So I've seen so man specialists about this issue I've lost count, and one thing is unanimous among them, this is NOT an eye problem. It's a brain problem. Our brains are mishandling the signal that is triggering us, and the result is over actuation of the muscles around the eyes.
ensete Ive seen a famous neurologist about this issue, but he has been of no help. Told me it is overuse syndrome, that man is not made to look into any display for 8 hours a day and that he can not help other than to suggest to take a month off all displays and see. Did not seem interested in my explanation about older devices not causing it and immediate relief there. Other suggestion was that it is psychosomatic.
It is difficult to find doctors interested in exploring new unexplained topics.
I agree that it must be health related, as most people just do not have this issue. Separating brain and eye issue is difficult though, as they influence each other (eyes send information into the brain, but brain is also taught what to see and notice). Ive seen one post about macular pigment, has anyone here ever got it tested or tried to take supplements for it? https://glarminy.com/2017/09/27/macular-pigment-eye-supplements-meso-zeaxanthin-safety/comment-page-1/
martin Did not seem interested in my explanation about older devices not causing it and immediate relief there. Other suggestion was that it is psychosomatic.
It is difficult to find doctors interested in exploring new unexplained topics.
That's the same the neurologist I once visited told me. He had no explanation and even said "this is impossible".