OLED Has left me with a lifetime neurology condition.

Clokwork

DisplaysShouldNotBeTVs I too use a PS5 for media with personalized color and display settings. I will not use an Apple TV either.

randomboolean

DisplaysShouldNotBeTVs Thanks for the detailed reply! I’ve sent you a private message couple of days ago about your specific laptop setup ("Lenovo T480 and VERY specific software setup (I can elaborate in DMs)") – let me know if it came through. Appreciate it!

DisplaysShouldNotBeTVs

randomboolean

It did, I will reply later this week 🙂

(BTW, it's fine to ping me next week if I forget to reply this week)

K-Moss

"In my case, some OLEDs can get really strainy and uncomfortable at times, but it's never caused me issues as bad as IPS has, and for me, strain from OLED devices goes away relatively quickly after turning off the device (whereas IPS takes much longer for the negative symptoms to dissipate)"

Often screen sensitive individuals switch from OLED to IPS and find considerable relief.

Anyone else here generally have problems with IPS?

K-Moss

"I have thought of this also, it's like thousands of small flashlights flashing directly into your eyes. Add to that the continuous on-off, and temporal dithering as well. It's not compatible with how our biology functions. Except for the sun, and fire, it seems our eyes are evolved to receive reflected light from the environment. The polarising filters on the back of the LCD panels make the transmissive light far less intense. I am looking for an ips display phones which is comfortable on the eyes and so far all the suitable devices are 6+ years old!"

https://www.reddit.com/r/PWM_Sensitive/comments/1js31w4/the_real_problem_with_oled_screens_uneven_dynamic/?chainedPosts=t3_1jqoznd%2Ct3_1l8j6nt

bluetail

DisplaysShouldNotBeTVs I thought same about IPS.
U can try LG-Master Gold Phoenix GB2590HSU-B5 24.5 Inch.
This IPS does work for me.

DisplaysShouldNotBeTVs

@K-Moss I know that Jordan here also has a LOT of problems with IPS, with symptoms that can last multiple days -- however, he can tolerate a few OLEDs (still problematic to him, just less issues than IPS causes) -- and his best screen currently is an old VA LCD TV which he's said is generally fine for him

There's also AshX who can use an iPhone 13 (AMOLED) but can't find any usable laptops or monitors (with all of the laptops and monitors he's tested so far being IPS)

AshX

DisplaysShouldNotBeTVs

I want to chime in with a little more info. A HUGE disclaimer is that I have not proven any of this yet because there are multiple possible causes at this point. I didn’t even want to share it yet because I don’t want to scare anyone.

I got the 13-in MacBook Pro Touchbar M2. Didn’t have any of the same symptoms as the MacBook Air M4’s or my formerly usable iMac 2019 21.5-in 4K Retina (stabbing eye pain, dizziness, unable to focus) that were immediate.

What did happen is for about 2 weeks after using the device for maybe 20 min over 2 days I started having problems focusing my eyes period. It didn’t matter if it was a phone or a book or a street sign. I also got a pretty strong pressure in the center of my forehead when I did try to focus my eyes and it was so bad my left eye was closing constantly no matter what. Got so bad I actually went to the Emergency Room because I could barely open my left eye and kept getting myoclonic spasms. Light of any kind was triggering all this. My left leg kept giving out and I could barely walk. Terrifying.

The big caveat is unlike a lot of you here I have a ton of medical problems: POTS, IST, dysautonomia, long COVID, and I’m now being evaluated for a rheumatological autoimmune disease. Prior to my COVID infection in 2022 I could use all types of screens. And prior to a 2024 infection I could use my iMac 2019. At this point I have no idea what caused this. We were going through a heat wave on the East Coast of the US at the time. I may have gotten sick or something else triggered it. I have had issues with my left eye closing since COVID and myoclonic spasms off and on since living in an apartment with mold. Point being, there are tons of possible causes.

I have not used the MBP since. I wanted to let this calm down first, but needless to say, it is terrifying and regardless, I have to be careful. I can still use the iPhone 13.

I’ve actually found the schematics for the 13-in MBP and I’ve found videos of repair shops taking apart the display and revealing the backlight sheets, LED backlight bar, and other things. I compared it to the MBA and the Air has less diffusers and is much more reflective. The MiniLED Pros have tons of weird stuff going on. The one thing about the 13-in is that the LED beads are on the bottom of the device. I believe the Airs are, too. I have no idea if the Pros are because it wasn’t as detailed of a video. But I did confirm the screen tech is essentially the same on the 13-in Pro as it was in 2016. I’m waiting on the Carson Microflip microscope to take a look at the pixels.

If I can say anything based on intuitive hunches it’s that there are probably two things going on: flickering and light spectrum. The latter is easier to deal with through filters, glasses, etc. But the flickering is clearly affecting the brain depending on the frequency in susceptible people.

K-Moss

AshX Quite possible you started having many of your current problems after starting those Covid injections. Top biotech research scientist Michael Yeadon says they were intended to cause harm.

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