tiffoknee Well, we could go into nitty gritty details, what it seams like - your findings go side by side as to how people feel. Except, of course, those intel machines that clearly have PWM, and there are quite a few to watch for, not to mention batch issue. Generally speaking, if you suffer from eye strain on apple silicon, switch to intel. Intel might cause also eye strain due to PWM if you will have it, but at least, you could count on external monitor to be much better solution to apple silicons. I would really like to reach out to Apple, really to the very core team and say guys you are loosing customers here who could purchase those 2k-4k Macs, but only if those were solid flicker free devices. But if apple is not listening, maybe apple is not the same apple as it used to be. It has changed, grown into something else.