Another parameter to headaches & eye strain - 5G Networks

karthi3219

I am from India, suffering from LED strains for last 10 years. You can find various posts from me on this forum how I am managing these symptoms.

Symptoms - Neck pain, Shoulder pain, brain fog, difficult to focus the screen, elevated heart beats

For the last 1 year, I was able to manage the symptoms with Old ccfl monitor Dell u2410 with blue light blocking AMBER glasses with my Macbook M1 work laptop. This setup was savior for me.

Recently this good setup started giving me issues again. Troubles started with my phone (iphone 15) as well.

When I investigated what changes in recent times, I found out that I upgraded my Wifi and Mobile phones to 5G network. Realizing this, I reverted the network back to old 2G wifi router, surprisingly my symptoms disappeared, felt better with the old 2G router networks.

Summary - somehow 5G signals may interfere with your good setup and make it worse. Please post if you also encountering similar issues with 5G.

moonpie

karthi3219 Macbook M1
...Troubles started with my phone (iphone 15) as well.

You've spent 1 year looking at dithering and PWM. The only thing 5G could have done is allowed you to have more screen time (gaming, high resolution video, higher frame rates, etc) due to faster internet.

qb74

karthi3219

Summary - somehow 5G signals may interfere with your good setup and make it worse. Please post if you also encountering similar issues with 5G.

Yes, Extremely High Frequency (EHF or mmWave) signals can impact the human body.

For anyone that doesn't believe this to be the case, take a look at this book:
The Invisible Rainbow: A History of Electricity and Life. Arthur Firstenberg

As for your eyestrain concerns, it's really hard to pinpoint anything specific to a individual as their solution, as there are a multitude of external and internal factors at play.

Since you're from India, you could even be having eyestrain issues from air pollution.
All one can do is trial & error, sadly...

simplex

What is your room light? Lamps, spectrums…?

karthi3219

simplex

I work mostly in day time between 9am to 6pm. Room light is natural sun light through windows.

For the night time, I use LED bulb -'Philips 9W B22 6500K LED Bulb'. its same for last 3 year.

Its totally strange how an 5G wifi is giving me this problem. I can clearly distinguish this.

Connect to 5G wifi - problem appears within a minute. Connect to 2.4Ghz connection - no issues.

karthi3219

moonpie hey any possibilities of high EMF from 5G wifi interfering with hardware components in monitor motherboards….etc.

I can clearly rule out the problem between the wi-fi networks.

macsforme

moonpie You've spent 1 year looking at dithering and PWM. The only thing 5G could have done is allowed you to have more screen time (gaming, high resolution video, higher frame rates, etc) due to faster internet.

The impact of 5G cellular and/or 5GHz WiFi on eye strain has been ruled out? What is your source?

simplex

karthi3219 Philips 9W B22 6500K LED Bulb

Not sure it matters in your case, but try to replace lamp into 2800k spectrum, it doesnt have big blue-peak

Regarding 5G - it can be. Our DDR5 memory works in similar freqs, so there could be interferencies which makes extra voltage pulsations between components

moonpie

There is no such thing as 5G wifi, unless you meant 5Ghz wifi. Neither 5G nor 5Ghz wifi is affecting your screens, especially Apple products.

Faster connection is allowing for greater screen time OR features that were bandwidth starved are getting turned on.
If your new "5G wifi" router is a no-name Chinese import, it could be defective, not grounded, or operating well beyond wifi specs allow. This may include some kind of coil whine you may not be able to hear but are still be affected by.

ensete

Check to see if any applications you use have any type of "auto detect connection speed" setting linked to any sort of video/image display quality setting.

For example, YouTube's default resolution for playing videos will change based on your connection speed. On my gig Ethernet, it defaults to 1080p for most videos, which causes me eye strain. I need to manually set it to 480p to make the video comfortable to watch. Lots of games do this as well.

So maybe the upgrade from 2G to 5G caused an app you use to see that huge increase in connectivity and bandwidth and it increased some display quality setting to a higher resolution or color depth automatically and that could have caused your issue. Reverting to 2G limited your bandwidth to what it was before and would have reduced the video settings back to previous and no longer cause issues.

karthi3219

ensete hey this is my work laptop - Macbook Pro M1 2021 model. I use extensively for coding and web browsing (Mostly texts and images and not videos).

My network is fiber broadband connection. Wifi Router is Tp-Link with wifi network of 2.4Ghz & 5Ghz. Router is configured to have 2 separate wifi ids. Speed from 2.4Ghz connection itself 40-50 Mbps more than enough for my work requriements. 5Ghz connection speed is in the range of 150-200 Mbps which thankfully I don't need it for the time being.

jordan

macsforme the source is something he came up with in his head, just like other ridiculous claims he has made lol. RF certainly negatively affects our body. Anyone claiming it doesn't is a laugh.

moonpie

macsforme The impact of 5G cellular and/or 5GHz WiFi on eye strain has been ruled out? What is your source?

macsforme I do not believe my particular issue is related to PWM, as my work-issued iPhone 12 does not seem to bother me.

Your work iphone 12 has 5G, 5Ghz, and the 🫢 scary mmWave! This is also LEDstrain.org not 5Gconspiracytheories.org.

karthi3219

macsforme My cellular network is 4G LTE and I have not yet upgraded to 5G networks.

This issue which I mentioned in the post is from broadband wifi router's 5G connection to Apple macbook pro or iphone 15 phone

karthi3219

hey my symptom is not eyestrain or headache or pain in the eyes. Symptoms are neck and shoulder pain. Difficult to focus the screen.

Just rule out its in my mind related, I asked my wife to connect network discreetly then I tried to use the laptop. Whenever laptop is connected with 5G wifi network, I immediately got the symptoms. If laptop connected to 2.4G wifi network, everything normal. So this is definitely not my mind related.

Anyhow I am not going to scratch my head on this anymore. I will continue to use 2.4G wifi, avoid 5G altogether and carry on with my work and life.

If you are not having these issues, then you are good and blessed with good genes maybe. But don't undermine my sufferings. its real and not fake.

Just shared this post to know if I am alone or anybody else also have this issue.

moonpie

karthi3219 But don't undermine my sufferings. its real and not fake.

Walk to the nearest university and submit yourself to free testing as the first human being that can detect "5G." You will be extensively studied and provided healthcare free of charge so doctors can publish a paper on you.

karthi3219 This issue which I mentioned in the post is from broadband wifi router's 5G connection to Apple macbook pro or iphone 15 phone

You're confusing 5G and 5Ghz.

"If your new "5G wifi" router is a no-name Chinese import, it could be defective, not grounded, or operating well beyond wifi specs allow. This may include some kind of coil whine you may not be able to hear but are still be affected by."

Replace the defective router.