"Found the perfect smartphone!!"

K-Moss

https://www.reddit.com/r/PWM_Sensitive/comments/1c8vyao/found_the_perfect_smartphone/

A number of worthwhile anecdotes here. Once again a Moto LCD smartphone is praised. I can't believe how many people with eye strain issues refuse to use a lower end LCD screen despite whining about OLED smartphones ruining their eyes and brains.

Also worth sharing from another thread:

"I also had a headache for almost a month of using the G75, until I read on 4pda about the proximity sensor, which flashes even when the screen is off. I had to tape over the sensor. I'm waiting for a update that will fix this constant blinking of the proximity sensor."

You can disable all the sensors with a quick button, or you can tape over the sensor. I'm not convinced it's a real issue, but then you get people like that who swear it is, so if you try one of these phones definitely do try disabling or taping the sensor. You will see it flashing with a phone's video camera, and you will see it disabled when using the Android quick button to disable sensors.

QuitePainful

An LCD panel doesn't guarantee the absence of eye strain. Just because someone finds a specific device comfortable to use doesn't mean others will as well. It's not as black and white as all OLED displays always causing eye strain and all LCD panels causing none, at least not for many people.

Ultimately these anecdotes have proven to not be generalizable and aren't terribly useful other than for getting ideas on what to try and investigate further. The PWM Sensitive subreddit as well has plenty of threads with some people reporting a device worked well for them and as many people reporting the opposite regardless of the display technology.

I think people too easily jump to conclusions and misattribute their symptoms to more known issues like PWM and flickering when the real cause might be something else entirely, muddying the waters for others trying to solve their eye strain problems. Perhaps even worse still, this might muddy the waters for people working in the industry and trying to develop more eye friendly technologies, leading them to tunnel vision on singular issues that might not be all that helpful for many people in the end.

K-Moss

QuitePainful But the lack of flicker means you can wear a nice pair of computer glasses and fix most LCD strain, no? I get it that the LCDs now often are cheap, esp in smartphones, but make sure you try any straining LCD screen with a good pair of rose computer glasses. With OLED, we can't do anything about the flicker except perhaps use the device exclusively outdoors, which seems to help.

QlaGzr

CONTRAST!!!! Find your phone im notebookcheck and look what that number is.

My Motorola E32 has under 800. When it gets closer to 1000I'm in trouble. Photophobia hits hard. I thought for almost 15 years it was migraine. Nope. Only way to reduce contrast on the phone is to activate Colour Blindness settings and choose one that suites you. Mine has 3 options.

Ai quote : Reducing the color in an image or display generally reduces the perceived contrast, as color itself is a form of contrast. When you decrease the color saturation or complexity, you remove the hue variation between elements, which can diminish the visual difference between objects, especially when combined with color contrast.

K-Moss

QlaGzr Like my comment to the other, if you have photophobia, get a good pair of computer glasses. Brightness is easy to deal with with computer glasses or even sunglasses. Besides, photophobia tends to be from lack of exposure to natural sunlight. People nowadays are keeping their eyes too much away from natural night. I see people wearing sunglasses everywhere, always.

simplex

QlaGzr

Yes. Lowering contrast also reduce spectrum peaks, i.e. made screen less brighter.

QuitePainful

K-Moss

K-Moss you can wear a nice pair of computer glasses and fix most LCD strain, no?

Only if the cause of the strain is something the computer glasses can fix. I've encountered many IPS panels, for instance, which no amount of blue light filtering made bearable.

I do agree about the OLED flickering not really being fixable and LCD displays being better in this regard. Still, it's best to keep in mind that flickering is just one potential cause of eye strain, that it doesn't affect everyone the same way and that not all forms of flickering are equal. The same goes for blue light.

Then again, I do wonder how all the flickering of modern light sources affects our health even if there is no apparent eye strain.

Sunspark

I don't like the fact that these devices are lower resolution. One of the things I do on my phone a lot is read manga. It would be harder for me to read small text on a lower pixel resolution screen.

It's just strange that they're putting out 720p screens again when 1080p screens have been around for many years already. Maybe they're trying to do this to differentiate from the other offerings which tend to be around 2400x1080?

K-Moss

Sunspark With a lower resolution you have to scroll around more, but I believe the eyes prefer screens that are simpler and with less data to process at a single time. I can see them getting overwhelmed, which probably happens more with larger monitors as well. The large monitors can be overwhelming as can high resolution screens.

When I put on Bedtime Mode, which is monochrome mode, there is increased comfort. That is because there is less data for the eyes to process?

Even the official documentation says Bedtime Mode reduces visual stimuli.

By the way, I think light mode is better for phones than dark mode if you are using your phone mostly when out and about. LCD does light mode better than OLED. The LCD phone I am testing now seems to give some relief when I put it into light mode vs dark mode.

At home at the workstation I use dark mode.

K-Moss

QuitePainful With the Moto G 2025, easily available, there are lots of anecdotes from sensitive users that it works well for them, with significantly more comfort than other devices. As well, we know it has no PWM and no dithering. Therefore, if that one bothers you, you are in an even smaller minority. My suggestion is to try the Moto Edge 2025 first because it's quite a bit nicer. If it works, great, and if not the G 2025 is worth a try.

QlaGzr

Bought blue light glasses, no help. Head strated pounding after 15 minutes. Now I got FL-41 lenses on my eye glasses using them at work. That helped a lot. And a baseball cap. Aöso I can't watch 1080p/HD picture. Too sharp/more pixels or something. Tv is connected to cable provider box which I use in 720p and squeeze my web speed to second lowest (4 choises) then I can stream and watch regular channels. Not straight from the TV.