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    Rikl In case helpful to anyone else, here are the settings I'm using

    • madmozg Sure, M2 MacBook Air 2023, 15-inch

    • waydabber Better Display is great! Thank you (and everyone on this forum who is helping make progress in this space). I used to create a virtual display, which eased my symptoms but still gave me some strain after a bit. The option to disable dithering I think helps, but the image adjustment makes the biggest difference. I mean the one with the bar chart icon that flattens the colours slightly (sorry, I can't see what it's called). Setting that to 35 means I can use the display for hours without issues and without creating a virtual display. Probably a stupid question, but there's no way of replicating any of this on iOS, is there? Thanks again for Better Display. It's brilliant!

        I bought the LG C3 55 OLED and it's very comfortable for me. The thing that seemed to make it work was to enable HDMI Deep Colour under the HDMI Settings (under External Devices) and then on my input device, in this instance a Sky Q TV box, to enable 10-bit output (under the picture resolution settings in the Audio Visual menu). So I think it has a 10-bit signal from the box going into a TV that is natively 10-bit and so, I assume, no dithering. I can literally watch it with no strain.

        Before finding this Deep Colour setting, I had made it usable although not perfect for me by using Filmmaker mode (to reduce as much of the motion, sharpening etc visual effects) and also using eye care mode. I still have those settings on now, but it's the Deep Colour/ 10-bit setting that seems to make this 100% good.

        I'm not confident enough to connect it to a network and risk an update though, in case that messes it up! I need to see if Apps via the Sky Q Box or via my Apple TV 4K work or not.

        @Lauda89 I think I saw you say somewhere that your LG Oled had become problematic after an update. Are you able to get the Deep Colour setting working with a 10-bit signal from an external device via HDMI? I wonder if that would still work despite your updates. I assume it might.

          Does anyone have experience of current LG Oled TVs? Am looking at LG C3 series and wondering if it's worth trying.

            ensete I'm not sure that it's only that for me, unfortunately. Changing colour profiles alone, on whatever device, doesn't alleviate my symptoms. Changing colour profiles and also disabling dithering, by using a dummy display, is necessary for me and works so I can use MacBooks comfortably. In the car, the BMW display thankfully is fine.

            Does just changing colour profiles work for you (or anything else based on your sense of what affects you)?

          • Does anyone know of a similar workaround/ fix for Windows on a PC? So, how to enable a dummy display and use it to prevent dithering?

          • henno karthi3219

            I'm using a Macbook Air M2 and Better Display seems to be making a massive difference for me. Been using it for a week or so. Settings are as described by karthi3219 above. If I change the colour profiles from sRGB for the built in display and Generic RGB Profile for the dummy or virtual display, I seem to get eyestrain. Weird. I'd used Better Display on my wife's Intel MBP and it helped a lot there too. Big thanks to you guys for sharing this solution. I hope it helps more people.

            The only thing I can't make work is watching Apple TV on the MBA. When the built in display is set to mirror dummy display, video playback on Apple TV is black/ gives no image. But this is a small issue, when the laptop is otherwise great for me currently thanks to this fix. 🙂

            • eyepainsilverberry thanks for sharing this. Have your tried cinematic mode to watch movies or tv or to play regular PS5 games? Just wondering if it makes any difference in terms of eye comforts.

              • degen How is your BVD and use of displays by this point? I’m curious to know if you managed to get back to using displays comfortably.

                • JTL Weirdly, in safe mode, my M1 MBP no longer shows ‘billions of colours’ in the Switch Res X menu. As if ‘billions of colours’ is not an option under safe mode. The display is still not comfortable for me, so maybe there’s something else at play, but it’s interesting if maybe safe mode is at least disabling dithering or whatever generates ‘billions of colours’.

                  • Thanks for this. It doesn’t seem to be an option on MBP with M1. SwitchResX shows only ‘billions of colours’ as a checked option, and there is no visible option for ‘millions of colours.’ I’m not sure what this means beyond the fact that I can’t try out the option you suggest, unfortunately. The display remains uncomfortable for me on different resolutions under SwitchResX and on the different colour profile options Apple provides in the Display Preferences.

                  • This may be crazy, but I was wondering whether anyone on this forum has had laser eye surgery and whether that had any impact on the challenges we all share with displays. And then I wondered whether those of us who suffer from these issues share any similar eye health issues. For example, are we all short sigh or long sighted? Do we all have astigmatism? Or are any of us 20/20 in terms of vision, but still suffering from display issues? Not sure if this is a topic that’s already been disconnected the forum, but I couldn’t see it.

                    I’m short-sighted, and I think I have astigmatism. I’d be interested to know what others are in case there is any commonality or pattern.

                    • Clokwork software definitely plays a key role here, evidenced by the iPad OS15 issue here, but also for me different comfort experiences using the same monitor or TV with different inputs. Not sure I know enough to conclude that any hardware could be ok given the right software though

                    • ryans I’ve tried calling Apple on this a few years ago, without success. The support people have a script and generally seem to know far less about the specific problem here than we will, based on individual research, not helped by the facts that a) there is no accepted diagnosis for the issue and b) tens of millions of Apple users have a problem-free experience with its products and c) this isn’t an Apple-specific problem. If someone on here reports success from calling Apple, though, I’ll definitely try that again, but otherwise wouldn’t waste my time.

                      • Clokwork Yup, exactly the same for me. My iPad Pro 12.9 was pretty good on all iPad Os’s prior to 15, but 15 causes me eyestrain/ cloudy head/ headache fairly quickly. Unexpected and unwelcome! Have tried various different setting including differentiate without colour, but no improvement for me. What ‘improvement’ did Apple make here?!

                        • mike

                          Same. And agree on the render etc making the displays problematic.

                        • I have a BMW. The weird thing is that when set to Apple CarPlay, the display hurts my eyes. When set to BMW’s own native system, it’s totally fine. I think this just confirms that in my case at least it’s the input rather than the display that causes me problems. It’s the same on the TV. My trusty Plasma is fine when watching normal tv on Sky via the Sky Q box. But when watching apps like Netflix or Disney via the same Sky box, it hurts. And totally the same on our second screen, a cheapish LCD.

                          • vince I don’t have any issue with the LTPO display on watch se either

                            Has anyone tried the mini led iPad Pro yet? Not expecting it to be different but living in hope...

                            • bkdo replied to this.
                            • My new iPad Pro 12.9 is really comfortable to use for gaming, where the screen is set to 120 Hz refresh rate, and not so nice - ie causes discomfort- for apps where the refresh rate is set much lower, such as word processing or watching video. To me, this supports the theories and discussions above, and indicates that for me, higher refresh rates offer the best hope for addressing the symptoms I experience. Higher refresh rates seem to be the way display tech is going anyway, but the challenge is to be able to set a minimum rate, as manufacturers tend to use variable rates in order to extend battery life.

                              I feel if there was a way to get the ‘Promotion’ variable refresh rate control on the iPad to display only at 120 Hz for everything, I could use the device happily for hours. As it stands, I can use it for a couple of hours each day, probably because the refresh rate is up to 120 Hz at times, which is much better than my MBP, for example, but can’t use it for work or anything that requires me to be eyestrain free and able to concentrate. I will probably return the iPad for this reason (and because I resent paying £1000 for something I can’t use as I should be able to). I will concentrate on trying other devices, like gaming laptops, where it’s more possible to set higher refresh rates to operate all the time, but if Apple added a ‘set to 120 Hz as default’ option, this could, I believe, be a game changer for the usability of Apple products.

                              dev