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moonpie Also the intel 2020 pro had PWM, and still I experience more strain with MacBook Air M2 which doesn't use PWM. I get your logic and I said I will eventually leave if I don't find an usable solution.
That said I was asking about panel lottery, since I saw it mentioned here and elsewhere very often. And also from my experience I noticed there isn't a discernible pattern, but I could be wrong. At the time I read a lot of complaints about intel 2020, but I could use it for hours without problems.

DisplaysShouldNotBeTVs Thanks for the hints. But I mostly need a laptop to use on the go. As a desktop solution could be interesting, but I can only afford a main laptop, in order to use it as a desktop and also while traveling.

moonpie I don’t understand why you mention that intel works. I had for some days the 16 intel MacBook Pro from 2019 and it was the most straining screen I’ve ever used. Even more than the new ones. I know that Apple don’t use intel anymore.

I have a 2009 MacBook Pro which is still working flawlessly. Since then i stick to Apple because I’m used to it and they are actually really stable laptops for music production. That said, if I don’t find a good screen I will need to leave. Pwm and dither could not be the culprits in my case since I used another recent one with no strain at all. And as I read many people are in the same boat. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t fix also these issues, especially dithering since it would be so easy to provide a native solution.

jordan sadly, no.

Hi everyone,

I just bought a new MacBook Pro M4 Pro with nanotexture(thought it could be even less straining) and I can’t use it because my eyes get strained after 5 seconds. I tried every setting (p3 600 nits etc.), disabled pro motion, using True Tone, but nothing changes. Also disabled dithering using still color. There’s something wrong with the panel definitely.

It already happen in the past with MacBook Pro 16 2019 which I had to return immediately.
Then didn’t experience any problem with MacBook Pro 13 2020 intel. This broke after 3 years.
I bought Macbook air m2 and was still ok, although a bit more straining than 2020 Mac. Anyway these 2 laptops I could use without changing any setting and for several hours(less on m2, but it was still usable, just avoided to read too much).

Symptoms are the same between this m4 and the 2019 16 I returned: it’s like it’s moving and blurry. And my eyes get wet and tired for hours after. It just takes 5 sec.

Panel serial start with fmx but also in my 13 2020 which was the best for my eyes…

What I don’t understand if it’s a model issue or just the specific panel and I can hope to swap it for a better one.

Also how’s Apple dealing with it these days? I cannot return it because it arrived while I was away. Do they take issues like this seriously or if I’m lucky they just send it to repair and then ship again the same laptop with the same panel…?

Thanks

Note that the majority of users don't surf through forums or don't even recognize this kind of issues. It would be wise to take account of thousands or millions of naive users who just ignore or blame themselves. I was talking to my mom and she admitted experimenting several eye strain to the point that she kept using her laptop for only 20 minutes a day. And in a year she never pointed that out because she simply thought it was her problem with aging or something although she was just fine with all other devices... And companies simply don't give a ****. We should be aware that they're acting in a criminal way, because they certainly know. At least they should supply documentation of possible risks and rare side effects.
Anyway maybe this would not solve anything, but pretending a disable dithering option at least, shouldn't be that difficult. We just have to figure out how to get a little attention.