I have the exact same experience with my MSI GE62 (HD530), when i run it on battery it's just much easier on my eyes, I tested it thoroughly.
I don't think disabling intel driver fixes it for me though.
Using oldest available drivers (10.18.15.4268) with ditherig and various registry hacks to disable DPST.
It's very interesting what you've just wrote. Are there any registry hacks that can help with Intel HD eyestrain? Could you share them here? Ditherig helps a bit, but as I told in previous post not fully and it's still fat to call it comfortable.
Regarding drivers, I am using ones installed by default by Windows 10 into my T430 - 10.18.10.4358.
And regarding main topic - Let's see if others have same observations, because for me (and looks for you aswell), Disabling AC Power and Switching to Battery Power, even on newest laptop/drivers/Windows helps a LOT (not only a bit like ditherig or other forum-known tricks)
Here's a reg file, it disables it everywhere you can:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4d36e968-e325-11ce-bfc1-08002be10318}\0001]
"ACUserPreferencePolicy"=dword:09020000
"DCUserPreferencePolicy"=dword:09020000
"DisplayFeatureControl"=dword:000003e3
"Dpst6_3ApplyExtraDimming"=dword:00000000
"FeatureTestControl"=dword:0000cff0
"PowerAcPolicy"=dword:c1bac1ba
"PowerDcPolicy"=dword:c9bac0b8
"PowerDpstAggressivenessLevel"=dword:00000001
"PowerGpsAggressivenessLevel"=dword:00000001
"PowerPlanAwareFeatureSettings"=hex:ff,ff,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,02,01,02,00,00,00,02,01,02,00,02,01,02,01,02,00,02,01,02,01,02,00,02,01,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,06,00,00,00,04,00,00,00,00,01,00,00,06,00,00,00,04,00,00,00,00,01,00,00,06,00,00,00,01,00,00,00,00,01,00,00,06,00,00,00,04,00,00,00,00,01,00,00,06,00,00,00,04,00,00,00,00,01,00,00,06,00,00,00,04,00,00,00,00,01,00,00,06,00,00,00,04,00,00,00,00,01,00,00,06,00,00,00,04,00,00,00,00,01,00,00,06,00,00,00,04,00,00,00,00,01,00,00,06,00,00,00,04,00,00,00,00,01,00,00,06,00,00,00,04,00,00,00,00,01,00,00,06,00,00,00,04,00,00,00,00,01,00,00
Thanks. Is it working only on older drivers?
Currently trying:
"ACUserPreferencePolicy"=dword:00000000
"DCUserPreferencePolicy"=dword:00000000
"PowerDcPolicy"=dword:240c240c
"PowerAcPolicy"=dword:200c200c
as my driver seems to have it changed to this values by itself.
You can also try setting:
"FeatureTestControl"=dword:0000ffff
but your brightness won't work and there may be some unexpected effects.
cff0 is the safest bet, because it disables every stupid power saving system they thought of (DPST alone can be disabled by flipping the fifth bit from right side to one in your existing setting)
Thanks, perhaps I'll try them. Can't we change those option in normal Intel HD Control Panel? There are some settings regarding Power Safe etc.
Edit: For some reason I can't find in [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class any folder which can be responsible for Intel HD Graphics - looks like Driver has not created it in my case...could you show how it looks for you? (I mean some screenshot etc).
And by the way I want to ask, What version of ditherig are you using? Newest one or you are playing with some older?
magiks , I had the same experience when I was using Manjaro KDE. Manjaro has TLP package, which controls disk and other power saving features depending on whether its on battery or mains. I haven't noticed such difference when I use Arch KDE though. Arch does not install TLP package by default.
Ditherig application (so disabling dithering functions on Intel HD), and swtiching from 8 bit to 6 and disabling dithering from registry lvl in Radeon Card also helps me, so I guess disconnecting Power Supply for sure is disabling something related with dithering. It's possible that some other options that are uncomfortable for our eyes are disabled aswell, but I guess dithering is the main one. It could be very good starting point for example for Intel engineers to investigate what is straining us and what option could be added in next driver releases, but I bet it would be very hard to contact them in so direct way and encourage them to do so.
Quad43 Yep, even manual plugging and unplugging powr is fine, but the biggest disadvantage of this solution is intense battery usage which is causing her short lifetime.
Could it be noise from the AC power grid? Look up ground loop. It mainly affects audio but maybe it could make your led screen flicker.
I use to DJ for a company and they would pull off the ground prong off the laptop ac power plug. This would solve erratic clicking noises in the speakers/amps. For safety it might not be the best idea to pull off the ground prong. I do know the audio side of things you can get A/V adapters (ground loop isolator) that would flip the phase. This solved the issue. Perhaps there's a similar thing for AC power plugs? https://www.amazon.com/Ebtech-Hum-Plug-Style-Eliminator-Cleaning/dp/B07W682STV
??
Obviously I'm no electronics engineer.
Thanks for your insights.
Nevertheless, it looks like when the battery load is above 20%, battery power is used all the time right? It means you are just managing battery to avoid manually plugging and unplugging it, but battery is being used anyway? I am looking for solution to "trick" OS to let him think that he is on battery power while in real it would be on AC power and not using battery unnecesarly.
thorpee
I was also thinking of some kind of noise coming from the AC. I had similar issues, only realized after i brought 3 monitor lol, the third one was filtering it out nicely thankfully(Dell).
magiks
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/inversion.php#invpattern
Can you test these patterns? Do you have flicker when you are on battery? Do you have flicker when you are on AC?
As far as i know I am not filcker sensible at all. I was testing it already on various monitors. I am sensible for specific graphic s / maybe Windows versions (but for sure less than graphics). I also was thinking about noise, but when I am disabling Intel HD driver I can use any Intel HD laptop for hours on Microsoft Basic Driver without any strain.
I have tried this with my Dell 5470 on battery rolling the Intel HD530 drivers back to 2017 (earliest I can get hold of), but evenjust a few moments use and looking away I can feel it, my head is tight and the pain is starting, so the next few days will likely be bad for me now untill this clears.
magiks When I take closer look to my display (now i am using old Lenovo T430, but I've observed same with other newer laptops aswell) i see clear difference in colour "production" between power supply on and off
I have the same issue with my (otherwise 100% usable) 2012 Lenovo IdeaPad Yoga 13, but on my laptop the issue surprisingly also extends to the USB ports. In both cases, if power is plugged in or if any USB accessory is plugged in (even if on battery), the same effect will happen, the screen will feel "noisy" and unstable closer to the "same side" the port in use is on and I'll get eye strain on that side of my face
If no ports are in use, the screen feels completely still
I've recreated this many times at this point. The improvement I get in the specific case where I'm running on battery AND zero USB devices are connected is very immediate and noticeable
And no, it's not "emf" related -- because the most comfortable way to use it is actually with the built-in WiFi turned ON and a Bluetooth mouse connected. Wireless connections only is best
If I use a wired Ethernet adapter or a wired mouse instead, that's when the eye strain actually starts happening, because a port is in use
(This laptop only supports Ethernet over USB. There is no physical Ethernet port)
This only happens for me on this laptop. Given this thread, it also might extend to other Lenovo laptops from this era. If I use e.g. my Surface Pro 4 instead, the screen on that tablet feels no different regardless if there is a USB accessory plugged into it or not
My best guess to what is happening here (especially because I've taken apart the computer a few times and noticed that the internals look pretty messy and poorly isolated) is that some power needs to be redirected from the screen to power any active ports, which causes the screen to either flicker or introduce some other kind of display artifacts on the same exact side
I don't think I'm "feeling anything directly from the ports themselves", but more that the ports are affecting the screen in some way
I've also ruled out "getting visually distracted beacuse something is plugged in and sticking out of one side" because if I have a USB accessory right next to that side but leave it unplugged, I do not have this issue! It's only when it's actually plugged in
I also have my Bluetooth mouse and water bottle next to my laptop all the time and I don't get distracted by those
All I know is that if I stay wireless/bluetooth only is when it actually becomes noticeably MORE comfortable!
