Intel HD Graphics eyestrain and using laptop without Power Supply as solution
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Thanks, perhaps I'll try them. Can't we change those option in normal Intel HD Control Panel? There are some settings regarding Power Safe etc.
Edit: For some reason I can't find in [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class any folder which can be responsible for Intel HD Graphics - looks like Driver has not created it in my case...could you show how it looks for you? (I mean some screenshot etc).
And by the way I want to ask, What version of ditherig are you using? Newest one or you are playing with some older?
magiks , I had the same experience when I was using Manjaro KDE. Manjaro has TLP package, which controls disk and other power saving features depending on whether its on battery or mains. I haven't noticed such difference when I use Arch KDE though. Arch does not install TLP package by default.
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Ditherig application (so disabling dithering functions on Intel HD), and swtiching from 8 bit to 6 and disabling dithering from registry lvl in Radeon Card also helps me, so I guess disconnecting Power Supply for sure is disabling something related with dithering. It's possible that some other options that are uncomfortable for our eyes are disabled aswell, but I guess dithering is the main one. It could be very good starting point for example for Intel engineers to investigate what is straining us and what option could be added in next driver releases, but I bet it would be very hard to contact them in so direct way and encourage them to do so.
Quad43 Yep, even manual plugging and unplugging powr is fine, but the biggest disadvantage of this solution is intense battery usage which is causing her short lifetime.
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Could it be noise from the AC power grid? Look up ground loop. It mainly affects audio but maybe it could make your led screen flicker.
I use to DJ for a company and they would pull off the ground prong off the laptop ac power plug. This would solve erratic clicking noises in the speakers/amps. For safety it might not be the best idea to pull off the ground prong. I do know the audio side of things you can get A/V adapters (ground loop isolator) that would flip the phase. This solved the issue. Perhaps there's a similar thing for AC power plugs? https://www.amazon.com/Ebtech-Hum-Plug-Style-Eliminator-Cleaning/dp/B07W682STV
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Obviously I'm no electronics engineer.
Thanks for your insights.
Nevertheless, it looks like when the battery load is above 20%, battery power is used all the time right? It means you are just managing battery to avoid manually plugging and unplugging it, but battery is being used anyway? I am looking for solution to "trick" OS to let him think that he is on battery power while in real it would be on AC power and not using battery unnecesarly.
thorpee
I was also thinking of some kind of noise coming from the AC. I had similar issues, only realized after i brought 3 monitor lol, the third one was filtering it out nicely thankfully(Dell).
magiks
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/inversion.php#invpattern
Can you test these patterns? Do you have flicker when you are on battery? Do you have flicker when you are on AC?
As far as i know I am not filcker sensible at all. I was testing it already on various monitors. I am sensible for specific graphic s / maybe Windows versions (but for sure less than graphics). I also was thinking about noise, but when I am disabling Intel HD driver I can use any Intel HD laptop for hours on Microsoft Basic Driver without any strain.
I have tried this with my Dell 5470 on battery rolling the Intel HD530 drivers back to 2017 (earliest I can get hold of), but evenjust a few moments use and looking away I can feel it, my head is tight and the pain is starting, so the next few days will likely be bad for me now untill this clears.
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magiks When I take closer look to my display (now i am using old Lenovo T430, but I've observed same with other newer laptops aswell) i see clear difference in colour "production" between power supply on and off
I have the same issue with my (otherwise 100% usable) 2012 Lenovo IdeaPad Yoga 13, but on my laptop the issue surprisingly also extends to the USB ports. In both cases, if power is plugged in or if any USB accessory is plugged in (even if on battery), the same effect will happen, the screen will feel "noisy" and unstable closer to the "same side" the port in use is on and I'll get eye strain on that side of my face
If no ports are in use, the screen feels completely still
I've recreated this many times at this point. The improvement I get in the specific case where I'm running on battery AND zero USB devices are connected is very immediate and noticeable
And no, it's not "emf" related -- because the most comfortable way to use it is actually with the built-in WiFi turned ON and a Bluetooth mouse connected. Wireless connections only is best
If I use a wired Ethernet adapter or a wired mouse instead, that's when the eye strain actually starts happening, because a port is in use
(This laptop only supports Ethernet over USB. There is no physical Ethernet port)
This only happens for me on this laptop. Given this thread, it also might extend to other Lenovo laptops from this era. If I use e.g. my Surface Pro 4 instead, the screen on that tablet feels no different regardless if there is a USB accessory plugged into it or not
My best guess to what is happening here (especially because I've taken apart the computer a few times and noticed that the internals look pretty messy and poorly isolated) is that some power needs to be redirected from the screen to power any active ports, which causes the screen to either flicker or introduce some other kind of display artifacts on the same exact side
I don't think I'm "feeling anything directly from the ports themselves", but more that the ports are affecting the screen in some way
I've also ruled out "getting visually distracted beacuse something is plugged in and sticking out of one side" because if I have a USB accessory right next to that side but leave it unplugged, I do not have this issue! It's only when it's actually plugged in
I also have my Bluetooth mouse and water bottle next to my laptop all the time and I don't get distracted by those
All I know is that if I stay wireless/bluetooth only is when it actually becomes noticeably MORE comfortable!
Have you noticed this difference if you only use the physical ethernet port as on T480/T480s but otherwise no usb port use?
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photon78s In the middle of my post I have already stated that my 2012 Yoga does not have any physical Ethernet port. It only supports Ethernet connections over USB
I also tried two different Ethernet adapters, it doesn't matter. It's simply that whenever either any USB port is in use with any kind of accessory (or the power port is connected), the screen gets worse and more flickery feeling on that side
This doesn't seem to happen on any of the other laptops I own
The only ports on this laptop are USB/HDMI/SD/power/headphones
I remember you said you don't prefer desktop monitors. Just wondering if this usb related power issue also affects plugged in monitors via traditional hdmi or displayport (not via dp alt mode). I would think not due to independent power supplies.
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photon78s probably not it seems to be related to interference with the connection to the internal display itself
because the display starts feeling flickery on the same side the USB or power connection is on. there are USB ports on both the left and right side, and when I switch which side is connected I can actually feel the eye strain shift sides as well.
when nothing is connected at all, as long as dithering is also disabled, the strain totally stops (aside from the mild max brightness PWM, which is subtle enough to not affect me aside from very tiny eye pressure)
I also stop feeling the strain if I turn the screen off/look away for a bit, even if e.g. power is still connected. this one is why I'm pretty confident in my theory that it's related to poor electrical isolation that is "slightly leaking over" into the internal display connection and causing pixel jitter
as mentioned before, WiFi and Bluetooth don't affect this at all. I can connect both a Bluetooth mouse and AirPods, listening to music on them, and streaming remote desktop at high bandwidth over WiFi and feel totally great looking at the internal display for hours, as long as no ports are in use!
(i assume the components for those are further away from the display, or simply have better isolation than the ports do)
imo this laptop probably has no issues with external monitors (as long as the internal display is off). I don't think this issue will affect that. my old monitors all have FRC though so I can't reliably test, but the picture looked normal and pretty clean aside from the annoying FRC patterns each of my monitors always have