wow this is great news!! Hope it continues like that, would be a major success for you and a good indication for all of us. Let us know how it feels in a couple of days.
And usually Apple tries different new things on the Iphone and then implements it on their macs, so that would be a good thing.
I will visit a phone store so i can try for a few minutes the Iphone 13.
good luck
Got an update here in case anyone is going out to buy an iPhone 13 - I have had some eye strain and headache symptoms for the last 2 days after I decided to play games on the phone for a couple of hours. It feels very similar to mild symptoms I would get from 30 mins on a MacBook.
I haven’t played games on a phone in years as it always triggers me, so it was the ultimate test but I was feeling confident.
Since then the phone seems to exacerbate the symptoms just using it normally, but I did use it without issue for 3 days. I’ll let things settle a bit and see what happens - I still have 7 days to return it if there are any issues. I’ll miss the amazing camera and those glorious first days with no symptoms if I have to!
Sorry to hear that it’s giving you some trouble. I actually had a very similar experience - the first few days were virtually symptom-free, then I started getting headaches. It culminated in me feeling extremely nauseous, and that’s when I decided to give up on it.
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Anyway, does anyone have any experience with the other new Apple devices? I’ve also tried the iPad 9th Gen and it gives me the usual symptoms, anyone else have luck here?
Sorry to hear that it’s giving you some trouble. I actually had a very similar experience - the first few days were virtually symptom-free, then I started getting headaches. It culminated in me feeling extremely nauseous, and that’s when I decided to give up on it.
That's very interesting - your experience seems to mirror mine. I've been feeling nauseous since yesterday and woke up today with the familiar brain fog, low mood and nausea that I remember from my MacBook days. Using the phone seems to exacerbate symptoms quickly now, which is very disappointing after such a strong start.
Suffice to say, it's going back to the store - I'm not going back to this feeling again for anything.
What is your usable phone @bkdo? My iPhone 8 is usable in 20 minute bursts throughout the day, but not for gaming or anything. I'd really like a camera upgrade more than anything.
Also curious to see if anyone is finding positive moves with new Apple hardware. I guess my next test will be of the new mini-LED screen tech in MacBooks next year.
I feel really negative about the future of Apple hardware. M1 Macbook has the most intense multilayered dithering patterns I have ever seen (as visualized through an e-ink displayed). Apple is going for the most eye-popping and dazzling display possible. They do not care about anything else. Hyperbolic? Maybe, but I really feel this way.
Many of us thought that the graphics driver rewrite for the M1 chip would bring benefits. Instead it makes things worse and the majority of us cannot use this device at all (I realize some can). MacOS Monterey is reported to bring no benefits.
There is a massive thread of MacRumors about Apple's PWM-infested mobile devices which has been going on for years. Not even MacRumors will acknowledge it. Very sad.
I’ve been using the iPhone 8 + since 2017. It’s not perfect eye strain wise, but the symptoms are minimal. Unfortunately, after updating to 14.8, I started getting the usual eye strain and headaches that I get on other Apple devices (XR, 11, iPad Pro, etc). Have you tried any of the newer LCD apple products? From my experience, it seems like the two cutoff points have been the A12 chip and then iOS 14.8.
degen I feel really negative about the future of Apple hardware. M1 Macbook has the most intense multilayered dithering patterns I have ever seen (as visualized through an e-ink displayed). Apple is going for the most eye-popping and dazzling display possible. They do not care about anything else. Hyperbolic? Maybe, but I really feel this way.
I feel the exact same way, their displays/software have only gotten worse in terms of eye strain. I’m hoping that whatever graphics tricks (dithering, etc) they’re utilizing will eventually become unnecessary due to better screens at cheaper prices. Though that’s probably a long shot.
I found this interesting Reddit post which may show temporal dithering on an iPad with e-ink.
degen M1 Macbook has the most intense multilayered dithering patterns I have ever seen (as visualized through an e-ink displayed).
Is it possible to take a video of this and potentially send it to Apple? Or even just upload it here?
If there is a test for it, and we can point and say this is the problem.
Interesting.. notebookcheck says the 13 mini is 510.2 Hz pwm, while the pro is half that which is the # we are all used to seeing. Might be better for folks here to consider the non-pro version instead, if they have their hearts set on Apple.
Now I have used my iPhone 13 Pro for two days.
First I looked with both eyes, I could feel a little tension so I looked at the screen with one eye for half an hour. After that I look with both eyes without getting tension headache. I have done this procedure with 7-8 new screens. That’s what I need to do, thanks to all training. Yesterday I got 8+ hours of screen time, I can feel that in my eyes, but it’s not that bad. It’s to early to say, but I guess it’s like my iPhone 11 Pro for the eyes.
Just a note. I’ve been fine with my XS for years (only if I have reduce white point on 95%) and reduce motion, otherwise it’s unusable. I updated to iOS 15.01 the other other day and it became unusable with severe nausea. I looked through all settings and trialed various filters etc. nothing worked. Then I tried ‘differentiate without colour’. It does something I can’t put my eye on, but changes the colour profile v subtly and since then it’s usable again. If I uncheck it I get the nausea. May be worth people trying….
Out of curiosity, what iOS version were you on before you updated to 15.01? I noticed a change in eye strain when I updated from 14.6 to 14.8, so it seems something definitely changed at least around then.
That's interesting that "Differentiate without Color" seems to help you. From my understanding, that setting is for color-blind people, I'm curious if does change something that may help our symptoms. I'll try it and see if there are any positive changes.
Hi folks,
I just wanted to update with an iPhone 13 success story! As I detailed above, I purchased an iPhone 13 Pro and initially thought it was great. I used it continuously for a few days, and suddenly I had the same old spiralling migraines and nausea. Left eye pain, neck pain and all the trimmings. This got returned.
A couple of months later, and I decided to pick up an iPhone 13 (not Pro). This time:
I'm now 10 weeks in with this phone and I'm using it continuously without any issues at all. I can't believe it, I actually have less issues than with my iPhone 8 which I have tried to replace with both the SE and the 13 Pro previously.
As a side note I still can't play games on it - even 15 minutes seems to start giving me issues.
Could the tempered glass matt screen protector be making a difference? Or the lack of Pro Motion maybe - this phone is running at 60hz rather than 120hz? Seems strange, but this is the first OLED product I've ever been able to use.
