Windows 10 Anniversary Edition

Gurm How can we find out "what" they are aware of and how they changed it? if they are making changes to improve things they have to know what the issue is. I don't use Windows at all but its got to be the same root csause across operating systems given symptoms.

Gurm Yeah I guess I mean we need to find out what changes they are making...and what their rational is for those changes. if the change makes it even somewhat better that should point us in a direction. I have no idea how or who to ask.

Does anyone tried the October update? April was unusable for me, and I am not sure about downgrade to 2017 version from October update.

I saw one of major changes is better HDR, I’d guess it won’t be a move in „our” direction, however dark themes may be a nice addition.

Gurm I thought at some point you were going to try and make a case with Microsoft about the issues with post 1511 builds and compositing?

Update, the tech didn't write back to me again, but I didn't really expect him to either. He's an outsource.

The good news is, I don't mind that much. I still hate Windows 10, its ugly interface, and all its inconsistencies, BUT, I am able to use LTSB 2016 using the usb box that has a displayport on it on the desk monitor. After having changed the color temperature to 4200K to match the ceiling lights close enough, and turned off as much of the stupid font anti-aliasing as I could. So I guess I got used to it which is good news because it means there is no immediate emergency.

My home pc has both a hdmi and displayport out, and I use the displayport one, because like the work laptop, I find the displayport output to be subtly more stable in some manner.

But holy, W10 is so janky. I'm forever fighting with the thing to set the % scaling, etc. and rebooting or whatever so that apps stop rendering with blurry text. In a bunch (esp. internet explorer) I can end up with cleartype anti-aliasing, greyscale anti-aliasing and no anti-aliasing all on the same page. Yes. All 3, totally serious. Incroyable.

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Sunspark I'm forever fighting with the thing to set the % scaling, etc. and rebooting or whatever so that apps stop rendering with blurry text.

Supposedly that's solved with newer Windows 10 builds.

Sigh

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The whole "display port seems better for me" is interesting. It seems people prefer a specific port for some reason I've seen people complain about DP/HDMI/DVI causing eye strain while others being fine.

I don't think I've seen a difference for me. I've never used DP but HDMI and DVI seem pretty much equivelant of each other on a "comfy" GPU but I would imagine it's definitely possible for one to be better than the other either for you or just for an individual card.

I guess this means we should always try all ports before assuming a GPU is "bad" for us?

Generally my connection now goes GPU > DVI to HDMI converter > 10m HDMI cable >HDMI to DVI CONVERTER to monitor so I'm really using DVI at this point. This seems to be fine for me with "good" GPUs

(10m cable because I like my computer in a different room for maximum silence and I use an HDMI cable because of the smaller connector making the hole much smaller. If you want a silent computer this is the way to do it. Nothing is loud when it's completely out of earshot)

Soreeyes Just so you know, you don't actually have converters, but adapters. The video signal with DVI and HDMI are the exact same, use the same signalling protocol, etc. The only difference with HDMI is that it has a pin for audio and DVI doesn't carry audio. Where the video portion is concerned, all you have are extra bits attached that don't do anything. It'll be exactly the same as with a single DVI cable.

Soreeyes It is not impossible that the ports are using a different model chip on the monitor's logic board.

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Windows 10 is killing me. I was using a BenQ 2255gw on probably 5 different computers over the course of 4 years originally starting with Windows XP then switching to Windows 7 no issues. Windows 10 installed I'm dying literally. This is the absolute worst I have felt. Two minutes is enough to cause eyestrain for days. I can barely walk by the computers now. My workis not able to accommodate me switching back but they have taken me off the computer. Problem is now when I walk by a computer screen I feel sick. I'm going to complain on Microsoft's site I doubt it will do any good. I'm trying to retrieve my Microsoft account need to wait 24 hours. Dithering is the absolute worst form of pain in regards to this issue with LEDs. Has anyone been able to prove if dithering is less extreme with CCFL or CRT?

jasonpicard Two minutes is enough to cause eyestrain for days

Wow, now it sounds like you're beginning to have my level of sensitivity. On Dec 18 I described the exponential effect of having exposure to these problematic displays:

"
Immediate reaction looking at it - Not nice to look at. Feels very bright even at 0% brightness
30 secs of exposure - Not fun, but usually no lingering "LED migraine"
60 secs - 5 mins of exposure - A 3-5 hour "LED migraine"
30 mins of exposure - A 4-day-long "LED migraine" from hell...
"

I am ok with windows 10 with my samsung sa850d. No strain. Maybe some tireness after many hours, but nothing really problematic.

tfouto By "samsung sa850d" do you mean the "Samsung SyncMaster S24A850DW"? If so, that's the monitor I bought in December 2011 for my gaming PC that I had my first-ever symptoms on. That thing felt like it was melting my brain! Also the PWM flicker on it is insane!