RobC Sounds like we have a very similar problem. I've spent years trying to figure this out and I also feel confident it is the light emission itself. I'd love to find a newer (preferably gaming?) display that uses the older LED backlights that I can tolerate, but so far, nadda. If you have any success in that area please send a message.
Sick with new LED backlit PC monitors, but not old- difference in backlighting?
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Did anyone tried ZEPTER hyperlight-eyewear? Material Fullerene C60 used in them is not scam.
https://www.davidpublisher.com/Public/uploads/Contribute/5b73831fd3ab8.pdf
https://scindeks-clanci.ceon.rs/data/pdf/0042-8450/2021/0042-84502104403J.pdf
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/3a29/e4232d080f8e6e6f009fc8743156613d4115.pdf
Normal price is ~180Eur anything more is a scam.
Why is it so expensive for non-prescription plastic?
"Why is it so expensive for non-prescription plastic?"
I can ask why prescription plastic should be expensive? Glass lenses are never custom made they are + or - 0.25 diopters steps, nobody makes glasses just for you vision correction. ZEPTER is an expensive compamy, some of their products are a scam. But this one including Bioptron patent are the non fake ones. Bioptron is medical device in hospitals worldwide.
Polarized light can heal, it also can be damaging. Monitors are polarized light emitters, they need to fall to strict standards, yet nobody cares. This is why we have problems with eye pains and such.
Hi, i acknowledged your experience and valuable suggestions on displays. But those monitors are too old and difficult to find in market also i suspicious about is it compatible with modern systems while i'm thinking myself as gamer. Dont you have any suggestions with modern monitors for eye care? i'm also suffering with same problem. Thank you.
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Alas, no sir. In the last 6 years I've managed to try about 30 (newer) monitors and none of them work for me. I did recently purchase the HP X27i on Aquila's recommendation and will be trying that next week, will post my experience here. I tried the BenQ TK700STi gaming projector a couple weeks ago and it caused the same problem for me- which is very interesting because it has no LEDs. It does flicker (240 Hz pixel shifting to do 4k, plus it's a DLP projector and the flashing sequential red/green/blue "painting" DLPs do in whites was very obvious), so I'm back to suspecting some kind of flicker (either in the backlight itself or in temporal dithering maybe) as my main problem. That also seems strange to me considering I've experienced an LED desk lamp that causes the same symptoms and an offensive monitor with the backlight on but with black screen still bothers me too. The screens I can use I can use for 12 hours a day without any issue whatsoever; but just minutes looking at the offensive devices affects my eyes for days. It's a weird puzzle I cannot seem to get to the bottom of. Let's all continue to share ideas.
I see… how about antiglare (matte) and hard coating screen? Is that also problem on eye strain?
Beacuse i had a laptop which screen features are 15.6 inc, antiglare, 300 nit, 5 ms response time, 60 hz, IPS panel. With this features, there was nothing with my eyes, even i spent many hours. However i unable to look on modern desktop monitor by long hours due to eye strain. I used Asus VG24Q1A and BenQ Zowie XL 2411k.
Gemsand I am ready to buy the X27i too, so let me know if it works for you
Now i am trying LG GR95QE OLED 240HZ + Nvidia 4070 and is not good. Dizziness and migraine. I should try to watch some videos via chromecast in order to undestand if it's the monitor the problem or the GPU/Software. I have an LG B8 OLED tv that is perfectly fine with the right source.
Fakir35 I personally have not found any correlation with screen coating and my symptoms. In general laptop screens tend to bother me less, but I haven't tested that many. Are you saying you use the Asus VG24Q1A without a problem?- I've tried the similar (but much older) Asus VG248QE and it was terrible for me. I recently traveled to another city just to view 30+ monitors on display and all the modern 24" 1080p high refresh rate monitors there seemed intolerable.
Lauda89 Thanks for the info on the LG GR95QE OLED. (And you must have a new build- the 4070 is quite new. ) In my case I never had worse eye pain than with a LG C8 OLED TV, driven by a PS5. It was terrible. I tried the recent 34" OLED Dell AW3423DW gaming monitor driven by a GTX 1080 and it was not usable (though not as immediately noticeable as the TV). Meanwhile, I seem to have no problems with any OLED handheld devices at all! I can't figure out the difference.
I'll get back to you on the X27i within a week!
Gemsand Keep in mind that my main problem is dizziness/migraine, not eye strain. I've used the PS5 for a couple of years without a problem, last game was horizon and now i am trying GOW and i can't play it more then 30 minutes.. So in my case, the problem seems to be related with the software mainly.
I've tried also a QD-OLED the Samsung G8 and it went back. The LG still bad but i've decided to keep it because i like the 27 2K more than 34", so i am hoping to find the right combination of hardware+software with the LG monitor and smile again!
Let's hope to hear good news from you! Good luck
I tried the HP X27i recommended by Aquila, but unfortunately it did NOT work for me- I could tell within 10 seconds it was causing that burning sensation in my retinas! I did give it a thorough shot thought, I played around with all the settings- it's a great monitor and I could get the color very stable looking. But after playing around for only 10 minutes I was relieved to put it back in the box and my eyes hurt for the rest of the day. Thank you for the suggestion Aquila! It looks like we have different issues.
I can not understand what is problem with monitors and eye comfort?
I'm also trying almost everything;
**Purchase and tried 3 panel (IPS,VA,TN)
*Switch connect cable (DP,HDMI)
*Set brightness,contrast,blue light filter and other thing etc…. Refresh rate… as well as using f.lux
*Set viewing angle,
*Change rooms lightening conditions
*Also switch settings from GPU.
Finally i'm gonna crazy. I dont get it i had no issues with my laptop and i have eye burning a lot since i bought modern monitor. I wish panel manufacturers should aware this. I'm also keep searching desperately, if i found i will post here.*
This sounds EXACTLY like me. Something universal seems to have changed across all types of screens. I have two old HP Elite Display E221i that I still use for work. Every modern monitor I've tried to change them with makes me feel sick almost immediately (hard to describe but something like motion sickness - foggy, headache, dizzy, and my body starts to feel very warm). I first noticed this when I upgraded to the iPhone X when it came out. I almost called 911 when I was setting it up because my symptoms were so severe (before I realized it was from the phone). Now I seem to get this feeling from monitors, laptops, many TV's, car screens etc. Old monitors I have no issues with. I use an Iphone SE 3 that I assume is still okay because it uses old screen technology.
I don't have a solution to any of this but you aren't alone.
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Thanks man. Yeah for me it feels like some kind of universal change across all types of screens. For me it doesn't seem to be related to type of input: if the screen is the offensive type, no matter the input, or even if any image is even being displayed on the screen, I can feel it almost immediately and it causes significant symptoms (whereas my 10 year old monitors I can use for 12 hours a day without a problem). I am determined to find at least one modern monitor I can use, I will keep up the search and let you know if I find anything. Meanwhile please do the same!
Also just one comment regarding my latest thinking on trying to identify a cause (after much experimentation): My main 10 year old monitor that I can use all day without any problem whatsoever uses a form of temporal dithering and PWM, and that has always made me discount flicker as being my main issue. However, after having a painful recent experience with a 4k pixel-shifting DLP projector that uses a lamp (no LEDs at all!) but does flicker (both in the 240 Hz pixel-shifting flicker and also in the noticeable red/green/blue "flicker" that DLP projectors generate), I'm wondering if newer LED backlights and even OLEDs might have some other kind of inherent imperceptible flicker. Also I've experienced an LED desk lamp that caused the same exact symptoms- so I'm wondering if maybe the LEDs themselves now pulse in some way that they didn't use to. I know RGB OLEDs pulse constantly to create color and OLED monitors and TVs are terribly painful for me. Maybe all modern monitor backlights pulse in some way, perhaps as a result of reduced power consumption or something.
Yeah I had assumed my initial issue was PWM because it first happened when I got the iPhone X and that seemed to be the consensus online. But then I realized I was having issues with newer iPads and the iPhone XR as well (not quite as bad but still not great).
I'm the same with you as I can literally stare at older monitors/old iPhones/iPads etc. for 12 hours straight with no symptoms at all. But same with you on an offensive screen I feel it immediately. I'm a photographer as well and all the new mirrorless cameras have electronic viewfinders which give me the same issues. Weirdly there seem to be some newish TV's that are OLED but don't make me sick. But I have no idea why. Unfortunately I think some of the symptoms might be getting worse because my body has learned to "expect" to get sick when looking at a new screen. I'm on an 8 year old laptop for travel right now because the same issue is happening with new laptop screens.
I'll definitely post a solution if I ever find one. It's depressing because so many things that I love (technology, photography, cars) all are being affected by this. I keep hoping that one day the technology will just switch overnight sort of how this all started to begin with.
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I had many monitors, the best so far are Xiaomi Mi Curved Gaming 34 and NEC E271n(There is also a more expensive better version EA271Q). Maybe check these.
Xiaomi 34 (I used the resolution 2560x1440, brightness 30, contrast 50, medium response time) I couldn't use the resolution 3440x1440 even 5 min.
https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/259c1bb0
NEC E271N (I use it now. Brightness 10, contrast 27, refresh rate 50Hz(more comfortable than 60hz for me))
https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/b7321328
*Lenovo G27QC-30 was also good, but he had 6bits+FRC.
https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/7e912d21
*Nec EA271Q https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/4c8c14d5