Sunspark have you tried using it with grey/amber text on a solid black background? Slcd3 displays are very bright, so the less pixels turned on, the less strain on the eyes, maybe? Or is it a purely driver and panel problem?

optix hi, any other phones you have recently come across which are ready on the eyes? Have you tried any of the Sony xperia phones?

    Gurm I have a very similar eye sensitivity problem. On the M8 what display settings are most comfortable for you? I would like to get an M7 or M8 but some readers do find discomfort using them.... any info on the Sony xperia phones? Could the Bravia engines help or make it worse? If there are any other phone displays you are comfortable with do let me know, thanks.

      Would anyone know if any of these phones are PWM free?
      • Moto x1, x2
      • Moto X Play
      • Xperia C3
      The reviews I have found haven't tested for PWM.
      Thank you.

      babakkardan

      This is what I wrote on 12th of Feb:

      "I'm currently using HTC One M8 (the "correct" version!) and I can look at the screen for hours without any eye strain, motion sickness, nausea or general discomfort. I said "the correct version" as there seem to be two component suppliers HTC uses and while I can use my M8 normally, I can't look at my girlfriends' M8 for more than 5 minutes without discomfort. I can confirm the same for HTC One M9 - you just have to get a right version that doesn't cause problems. More details at XDA: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2705983"

      Again, we have two M8s at home - mine is fine, I can look at the screen for 3+ hours without any strain or nausea. On the other hand, I feel symptoms looking at the display of my gf's M8 in 5 minutes.

      So, same vendor, same model, same software, same firmware. One is OK, the other is not. I believe the only difference is obviously the display itself and controller.

      I'd suggest one should try to find a used one locally - that way you can test it out before buying (invite the seller to a coffee and play with the phone for 15 minutes =)

      PS: my M8 is more on a warm side compared to my gf's one, which is a bit more bluish

        optix amazing. If the e ink screen can really handle all the apps with that refresh rate then it is definitely worth it. Thank you for posting. Will find out the price...

        optix Wow amazing - so the e-ink screen contains no LED?
        What sort of backlight does it have?

          Fyi
          Feel free to create a new thread for each smartphone 🙂 Just tag it with Hardware / Phone + Usable

          optix I haven't found any reviews of the Moto X 2014 testing for PWM, or any camera tests on it. From your experience would you say it is PWM free, similar to galaxy s2?

            babakkardan

            I can't guarantee you that it 100% doesn't flicker at any brightness level, as I've used the phone one time for just a little more than 1 hour. During that time it didn't cause me problems and I had the brightness turned up to max. It would be the best if you could test it yourself =)

            • JTL replied to this.

              optix I tried a Moto X (possible 2014 from AT&T) and couldn't see any PWM with the shake test and it felt fine at low brightness.

              Moto X Force (whatever that is) has PWM as confirmed here

              My HTC One M8 was the best phone I used since the Galaxy S2, and was 1000x better than my Xperia ZL (which I suspect used PWM). It still wasn't good enough to use for more than 30+ seconds though. I bought an iPhone 6S and although it causes eyestrain and headaches more quickly, I can get far more done in less time. Since I am not doing any colour-sensitive work and don't care at all about how it looks, I inverted the colours. Otherwise I find the iOS7+ theme far too harsh on the eyes, which amplifies whatever hardware or driver problem there is.

              Using these settings to reduce eyestrain:
              Min brightness
              Zoomed
              Inverted colours (must change wallpaper to pure white so it becomes black)
              Night Shift (scheduled to always on) (doesn't work while colours are inverted)
              Grayscale (at night)
              Reduce motion
              Reduce transparency
              Reduce white point
              Increase font size
              Bold text
              Using voice commands as much as possible

              Of course none of these reduces the underlying problem. they just delay the onset and allow me to get in and out before a problem starts.

              Still the screen seems offensive. I think it is the lensing effect (to increase readability in the daylight) as described on the Apple support thread.

              5 days later

              Hi, about LG G2 - it's first phone which I can use since my iPhone 4 but only with bluelight filter from play store turned on 25-30% without this screen is blueish and got pain after few minutes. So I hope using other LG like 4, 5 or V10 with this filter should be ok for me. When trying those in store it seems to be ok.
              I have iPhone 6 and it's usable only for 1 minute with min. brightness I feel eye pain after using this. Had Macbook Retina 2015 and I gave it to my wife and using now her old Air with min brightness for few hours it's usable.

              Ok, so a quick update.

              My HTC One M8 (my primary device at this time) has the following screen:

              m8_lg_novatek_panel
              PANEL_ID_M8_LG_NT35695

              Since upgrading the firmware to the Marshmallow-ready firmware, it bothers my eyes more than before. Everything is a little harder to look at. I will be downgrading to the Lollipop firmware shortly, looks like something specific to Marshmallow is making the display drivers unusable for me.

              I've personally narrowed my problem to a combination of Blue light and FRC/Temporal dithering. PWM doesn't seem to bother me very much at all. I've discovered that some devices I have used for years without issue have DRASTIC levels of PWM. So that really isn't the issue.

                Amendment to my earlier post: I can only use my iPhone 6s for a few seconds now. The dithering is very obvious, but I don't know if that's why it hurts. A very costly mistake for me.

                  degen Hmm, and yet I don't seem to have any problems with my iPhone 6S+ It seems even better than my previous iPhone 5 (probably because the screen is larger, making text easier to read on it)

                  • Gurm replied to this.
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