Usable Smartphones?

Sunspark

ryans Give it a little time, you also may have some anxiety in play which will go away. Try updating it to Pie. Try the sRGB mode in the display settings.

JTL

Sunspark Try updating it to Pie.

Hope no anti downgrade protection rears it's ugly head.

ryans

JTL Sunspark

Yes I'll give it some time. Last night I used the device in bed when it's dark for about 30 mins. When I closed my eyes, I could see this flickering (as if someone was turning the lights on and off). Makes me think this might be neurological? This continued for a few minutes. Going to maybe try Skinomi Matte protector. I also turned on the blue light filter.

I don't think the G7 has Pie yet, it's running 8.0.0 right now.

Edit: I have a bad headache from this 🙁. I have found an interesting post though: https://forums.androidcentral.com/moto-g5s-g5s-plus/878377-moto-g5s-plus-causing-nausea-eye-strain-dizziness-what-could-causing.html and https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-G5S-Moto-G5S-Plus/Display-of-Moto-G5s-Plus-causing-eye-strain-headache-and-nausea/td-p/3881750 and https://old.reddit.com/r/MotoG/comments/57ug8a/moto_g4_plus_eye_strain_headache/

ryans

degen "- Lensing/Glass effect: In some phones, such as the LG G4, Samsung S6 Edge, or Sony XPeria Z3, as well as the HTC Desire 612 and the iPhone 6... the screen is "lensed" in order to make it "pop". This lensing effect induces IMMEDIATE eyestrain for me regardless of settings, filters, etc."

@Gurm Any idea how to find out if this is also on the LG G7? I wonder if this is causing my eystrain. Wonder if a matte screen protector will help. Do you know of any more technical term for this to research?

I am talking to other people who have this problem. Most of them have told me they got used to their devices after a few weeks of eyestrain/headache.

ryans

CCitrine do you still use essential phone? Think I might wind up returning the LG g7. Giving me eyestrain still and causing these random muscle twitches after using!!

Does anyone have any theories why LG G7 and HTC 10 are intolerable but essential phone is? It's completely baffling.

KM

ryans Does anyone have any theories why LG G7 and HTC 10 are intolerable but essential phone is?

I looked at their PWM results, and they all have different kinds of display flicker. Maybe that is a theory, but it could be anything. Including the mysterious Android eye strain that some ROMs have while others don't on the very same device.

The HTC 10 has flicker, too. You can see in Notebookcheck's review that the line is not flat:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/Notebooks/HTC/10/response_pwm.jpg

Gurm

Do we know that the Essential phone works? Or only with the Paranoid Android ROM?

ryans

Gurm Well, CCitrine reported it (Essential Phone) is usable, but Sunspark says it was not usable for him. Probably different issues affect them (their original posts linked in my tag). Did you ever get your functional vision checked (eye teaming, etc), Gurm ?

I don't think Sunspark tried the Paranoid Android ROM? I still don't know why Paranoid ROM is okay but nothing else is.

Gurm

ryans If I had to guess? Whatever display/rendering layer Paranoid uses is better than the stock one. I know that the composition layer is what breaks Win10.

KM

The Essential Phone is not in the list of supported devices: http://aospa.co/downloads
I think the only one talking about how Paranoid Android made a device usable in this thread was me, and the phone is the OnePlus 3. I believe the most likely theory so far is this ROM, like early manufacturer's ROMs, leaves the default color profile untouched, so no temporal dithering kicks in. I'm not claiming this would work for other devices.

jasonpicard

randomboolean 50 percent

randomboolean yeah I'm not convinced eink is the solution. I'm not a fan of the eink side of this phone.

ryans

Soreeyes Have you found any recent found that's usable?

tfouto

AGI
Xs Max: http://www.displaymate.com/Spectra_45s_a.jpg

X: http://www.displaymate.com/Spectra_41a1.jpg

The Red and Green components, has bigger intensity on XS than the X.

Also the blue component is slighty narrow, but just slightly. Less on the left side. Supposly the worst side.

tfouto

Markus How much brightness do you tolerate on the HTC 10? On my old HTC one (m7), i could use it only on low brightness.

tfouto

A work colleague of mine who has troubles with monitor displays, always use Flux agressively. His smartphone is Xiaomi is Xiaomi A2, in the low brightness region. He find it confortable.

It has similar contrast and brightness values has HTC 10.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/HTC-10-Smartphone-Review.165871.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaomi-Mi-6X-Mi-A2-Smartphone-Review.315456.0.html

It has PWM, but just below 20%.

tfouto

CCitrine Essential Phone - LTPS IPS LCD capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
https://www.gsmarena.com/essential_ph_1-8710.php
Interesting enough. This phone is the same panel than the Xiaomi A2, which my work colleague find ok.
Xiami A2 - LTPS IPS LCD capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_a2(mi_6x)-9140.php

ryans

tfouto "LTPS IPS LCD capacitive touchscreen" --> this is pretty generic and it not a specific panel, right?

tfouto

degen The thing is PWM which is sinusoidal. Much better to the eyes, brain than the digital PWM.

tfouto

oxlr I had an M7 which was perfect to my eyes.
I had a problem with GPS, then it was sent to repair. For some reason they change the display. The display was much color saturated, and colder white balance. It was horrible, to my eyes. The worst display i saw in life. I sent it back to HTC and said i want my LCD back. They change it, not for the old, but a similar one. It was OK again.
The phone its pretty unusable. I bought the Xperia XZ 2 on black friday. It's an amazing phone, but not eye friendly. My eyes sore. I will try a few day longer and see if i can manage, but i dont think it will possible.

The curious thing is that if i only look at it with the left eye, i can use it way more. My right eye is more sensible, maybe. Or is a binocular problem. Have to check my eyes on a doctor.

tfouto

ryans LTPS IPS LCD is a technology, different from others.

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