PuffyCloud S1 and S2 were probably PWM free, but that's old news.
Usable Smartphones?
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PuffyCloud you are correct. Feel very fortunate after reading how affected ppl are by the pwm. I may occasionally feel it in the prefrontal cortex area (I'm guessing) behind the upper middle part of my forehead. By flipping through screens swifly.
I am on my s8 now and it's a okay experience the majority of the time except if outside. Also, I will occasionally feel a bit of discomfort in the corner of my eye but I think it's my environment. Something reflecting light in my peripheral vision while I'm staring at the screen. I try make my environment more and more conducive every day to looking at a screen.
And when I type occasionally I can feel the discomfort when new letters appear on the screen. Like muscles in my forehead or on my cheeks. I think this is environment to. This happens much less with the blue light built in filter.
Usually, I can switch positions and these things will be much less apparent. Example, if laying in bed. One side of my face is on the pillow. While the other is exposed to a mostly dark room. My left eye (exposed to the room) will let me know it's not comfortable sometimes. Things in the room still reflecting even with low light. But the right eye is fairly happy.
Any synthetic or petroleum-based material will reflect the light worse (any light maybe =') ) . 100 percent cotton seems to not reflect the blue light as bad. I put this on the walls in my office and am going to try some 100 percent bamboo cotton or traditional cotyon sheets with no microfiber I think to see if the typing in bed is better.
I still haven't gotten my issues down to a science. But being productive by consuming info through screens seems with in reach.
Lastly, I bought goggles to keep reflection from the edge of my eye and it helped a ton. They fogged up but it was a huge relief in terms of me closing in on what makes my eyes happy.
I had prk done in one eye just over a week ago. Thus far it has allowed me not to wear glasses and looking at the screen is so much better. I still wear the goggles sometimes. I hate to look at my 1080p monitor. That thing is junk compared to this device.
Im considering a 5k monitor. Ohh the price tho. But the experience may be worth it. hate saying I'm desperate but I am a bit after looking at the resolution on this phone for longer periods at a time. And the going back to the monitor.
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Wrightpt1 Im considering a 5k monitor. Ohh the price tho.
I was considering a 4/5k monitor for myself but I think the issue is that under Windows/Linux the scaling isn't as good, and it's hard to use a 4k monitor at 100% scaling.
I'm thinking of a Dell UP3017 (30" 2560x1600 IPS) for myself after I sort some stuff out. On a plus side it might also be RGB backlit, so not blue LED.
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Wrightpt1 I do have some recomandations based on what you described.
First I recomend installing F.lux and setting it up to 4100k during the day on all your devices(desktop, laptop).
Second and most importantly I think you should either use scaling like I use or you could increase all fonts by 25%. I use scaling in Windows at 125% combined with increasing font in all my editor software I use. I do have better than 20/20 vision and I do this to avoid my eyes getting tired after 8 hours of work. Also my screen is flicker free(Dell u2414h) and I am also using paper mode from the monitor which reduces blue light further.
Another very important tool that I use is EyeLeo. It's a small software tool that reminds you to make different exercises for the eyes from time to time. I use this to get rid of sand in the eye sensation from staring into the screen too long without blinking. Us humans do not blink regulary when using computer screens for some reason.
And even if you do not get a migraine from PWM when using your S8 in the dark that doesn't mean your eyes are not negatively affected by this type of flicker. You should reduce the time you spend reading on the S8 in dark environments because the eyes will be strained from all the microcontractions.
Has anyone tried Amazon Fire HD 8?
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KM I recently bought iPhone 8, after trying the 6 and 6s of my mother's ans sisters (it was good, not sure what version of iOs), just to find out that it is unusable. The pain is so bad, similar to what I have experienced with Macbook Pro. I will sell the phone, but I need a new one because my Lumia is almost dead... Do you think buying Oneplus 3T is a great idea? How about 5T or 5? Do you think it is worth trying + installing the Paranoid?
Are you a sufferer of PWM? PWM does not affect me, because I can use my old acer which has a lot of flicker.
randomboolean I have no idea about the OnePlus 5 or 5T. The 3T should have the same display as the 3. But the only thing I can say is the 3 still works for me. I suffer from PWM and must stay out of the PWM range. If you don't have any problems with PWM: even better, so you can use the phone at low brightness and save more battery. I'd install Paranoid Android (currently 7.3.1) because it fixes a serious WiFi vulnerability (called KRACK) that the last good version of OxygenOS (4.0.3) still has. Actually probably all of us who use old Android versions that got no updates recently have that vulnerability.
KM I just called one of local carriers. They have a very good 14 days return policy (no one else has). If you order the phone (it is not applicable for iphones), do not damage the packing, do not insert the SIM and do not login to Google account, you can return during 14-days period. But you had to order the phone via eshop and mark "curier" as delivery option, because this way you could not possibly had a chance to look at the phone and you have to be able to return it if you didn't like the design for example. I am going to try this phone out and let you know what is the outcome. It comes with android 6 preinstalled and as I understand it was ok for your eyes? Also I am not allowed to enter the phone and login to google, so I guess I will have to stare at the "HELLO screen" and I am not sure if the HELLO screen has the same rendering options as the other OS screens like desktop, etc. I hope it does.
So guys if you want to test the phones out without breaking the bank, call your carriers or shops and ask about return policy, maybe they will offer something similar.
randomboolean Android 6 on the OP 3 was good, but the setup screen has auto brightness enabled. So low environment brightness means 240 Hz PWM. I'm not sure anymore, but I think you could skip any Google setup and leave the setup screen. It should be possible to reset anything to factory defaults later. They probably would never know. Just don't login to Google ever. It might leave some data on the internal memory (/sdcard) which makes the setup ask for the previous Google account's password. Although I think this behavior was introduced in Android 7.0, better take care.
KM Ok, I am currently ordering the phone. I called the carrier once again and asked the other person for the same info. I made aware of my problem and they were totally ok for me to test the phone. They said that it is possible to skip Google login or HELLO screen and it is OK to turn on WIFI, So I will be testing out the phone in the comming days and will report here my findings.
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My M8 has been giving me some trouble lately, has any one tried the Huawei P10?
the display is: IPS-NEO LCD, not sure about the pmw though
After testing Oneplus 3t for 2 days I could say it is unusable for me. I tried all of the settings suggested by KM, but they didn't help. It is much much better than iPhone, but still gives me blurry vision. Going to return it and find another one. The next one to check - Samsung S8. We do have those "lounges" where you can sit, chill and try out samsung phones, VR glasses, etc. So perfect for me, I can sit there as much as I want.
By the way my work phone is MEIZU M1 metal. Well it's android 5 and almost perfect for my eyes. But the phone itself is very poor. It does not have Google play store out of the box and you cannot uninstall all that chinese bloatware. Even thiugh everything is turned off - I constantly get random chinese notifications, especially during the night. Also it is very very slow, non-responsive, when someone calls it does not show the caller name, etc. So it is not a phone for long-term using, but will be good enough while I found a fast modern phone which is also good for the eyes.
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randomboolean There's the Samsung S9 coming out too, I'm going to try it! Do you think your problem is with newer versions of Android? I haven't been able to use past Android 6, but I don't know if that's a coincidence. Really would love a new phone, mine takes seconds to respond to taps.