Has anyone here tested if the poco x3 gt has pwm? (Not the pro version) there is no review at notebookcheck...seems xiaomi didn't release it on many countries.

Sorry bad english

A success story: The TCL A30 (which I believe is a rebadge/identical to the Alcatel A3) with a skinomi screen protector causes zero symptoms. This is my new daily driver. It's a pretty shitty phone, but that is not as important as being pain free.

Skinomi does not make a screen for the device so I bought one for a Moto G6 (a bigger phone) and trimmed it down to fit my screen. I will be doing this for any device I purchase in the future that Skinomi does not make a screen protector for

Matte anti glare screen protectors also make a world of difference with some of these LCD handsets.

I definitely believe reflection/glare can also contribute to eye strain.

I'm very very very impressed with the matte anti glare screen protector my relative purchased for the realme 8 5g. It's completely changed the screen dynamics.

I might order some more for the other pwm free lcd based phones I tried before, but disliked, to see if it makes a difference too.

11 days later

Thought I was the almost the only one with eye strain, but then I found this forum. Man, have I tried a lot of smartphones. I'm using a Nokia 7.2 right now, which is almost problem free. Unfortunately the speaker is very poor, so I've been eyeing an upgrade ever since. May it be of use to some, these are "some" of the smartphones I've tried:

  • Samsung A32 5G - absolutely horrible.
  • Samsung A52 5G - thought I'd shelve out some extra cash in hope for a better screen, it was slightly better than the A32 5G, but still terrible.
  • OnePlus Nord - about the same as the A52 5G. Then went online to found many more had problems with OLED, so no more OLED for me. Unfortunately, there are not a lot of LCD phones left. But next ones would surely be LCD and preferably without PWM.
  • Motorola G Stylus (the OG one) - very pleasant on the eyes and not too big. Would've kept it but the performance was very bad, almost everything lagged and stuttered.
  • Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 Pro - acceptable on the eyes but kept killing my apps.
  • Motorola Moto G 5G Plus - acceptable screen but very buggy in use, many crashes and reboots.
  • Samsung A22 5G - good above 25%, but I use smartphone mostly at night, and 25% is too much brightness.
  • Poco X3 NFC - not good, could only use it for a few minutes.
  • Poco X3 Pro - same as NFC, slightly better colors but that was it.
  • Nokia X20 - very pleasant screen, but when it updated to latest version it bootlooped…
  • Poco M4 Pro - PWM free (also checked myself with camera) but very unpleasant on the eyes, not sure if it's the coating or the rendering, but unacceptable.
  • Motorola Moto g100 - NOT PWM free unlike said on notebookcheck, below ~70% it absolutely has PWM. I don't want to run at 70% minimum or with overlays that prevent bank apps from running.
  • Motorola Moto g60s - a keeper so far, still testing but no PWM detected on my 4GB variant. 6GB wasn't in stock here but I have the 6GB in order, which hopefully arrives at the end of next week.
  • Motorola Moto g200 - also good, no PWM detected. 10g lighter than the g60s, but the camera is worse, despite having 128MP vs 64MP. gcam also only results in blurry pictures. Not worth the 2x price increase over the g60s, so I'm returning it.
  • Fairphone 4 - no PWM and so far so good on the eye. Camera is really good with gcam, stock camera is quite poor. Much better camera than the g60s. It does weigh a lot (225g) and is quite expensive at double the price of the g60s. I do like their update policy of at least 5 years, whereas the Motorola only has 2 years of upgrades, so TCO will be about the same.

So, hopefully someone can use this information. Thought I'd share it with people with the same problem.

Update: The moto g60s 6GB is also PWM free.

Update 2: After more testing the g60s I find it not as comfortable as my Nokia 7.2 and will be returning it. Maybe I'll try the X20 one more time and otherwise I'll go for the Fairphone 4.

    12 days later

    i used samsung galaxy s7 and give me eyestrain, headache in few minutes i use it. Then 2 years ago i changed phone to rog phone 2 and this phone just perfect. Screen is oled but dont give me eye strain, my eyes feels good with this phone

      ludwig Interesting! The Rog Phone 2 (from ASUS) using an 10-bit display (presumably no temporal dithering) and 120 Hz refresh.

      For me the Galaxy S7 was one of the worst phones I ever used...whereas the Galaxy S5 was fine. But both are too old now to be usable for me.

        If I have to leave Apple, I am a bit curious about the ROG phone.

        @Rataplan: The Motorola G200 has pwm (review at notebookcheck.net), although at high frequency. However, the display bothered me personally - I had a headache. So far, I use Realme 7 5G, which does not have PWM and the display is pleasing to the eye.

        I would also like to ask if anyone has experience with the Poco X3 GT? Does its display have pwm?

        After a few hours of use, Motorola G200 seems to bother my eyes. Eyes are red and watery, just like with PWM.

        I'll report back after I have confirmed.

        But be careful. It seems that the colors are somewhat better than with my G100, so it could be temporal dithering, or then it could be the 89Khz PWM. The PWM though is not detectable with my DSLR.

        When I have confirmed the eye strain, I will contact Motorola and hope they will be able to answer what chages they made since g100. G5 amd G100 didn't cause any strain what so ever.

        This is starting to be really maddening that manufacturer after manufacturer spoils a range pf devices that has previously been problem free. Same happened already with Sony Xperia and MS Surface Pro.

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          So I can confirm. My eyes are totally fried. It's usually after the night, when I finally can confirm that a device is bad. After using G200 for. fee hours, my eyes started to feel very irritated and it helped when I didn't look at the phone. My eyes started getting watery and red. Now in the morning my eyes are dry and red. Feels like I have sand between my eye and the eyelid.

          I'm taking the g200 back and purchasing another g100 just to be sure I have some phone I can use, if the other g100 breaks and they don't sell g100 anymore.

          May I ask that you all contact motorola and tell that g200 is causing severe eye strain, while g100 does not.

          It would be very helpful to get manufacturers to understand this problem.

          Soon there will be zero devices that are usable.

              This is an interesting phone that seems to go by many names.

                engine_er Yes but BELOW 65% brightness. I've had it now since it became available and I have zero eye strain with it, as long I dont use auto brightness and keep it over 65%

                  olgomar Hi,

                  I know you tested LG G5 for PWM and found none (above 37% brightness). I'd like to ask if the LG G5 gave you any eyestrain?

                      I have given up on smartphones for a variety of reasons besides eye fatigue, which I won't ramble about here.

                      As far as I'm aware, all e-ink smartphones, such as models from Hisense, don't work in the United States. I'd greatly appreciate anyone proving me otherwise, though.

                      I'm crossing my fingers there will someday exist RLCD phones, but I'm certainly not waiting until Hell freezes over for one.

                      I'll probably just use a Mudita Pure until 4G phases out, at which point I'll certainly have much more to worry about than silly phones anyway

                        Clokwork advertising ultra high Hz PWM? That's a new one. Refreshing after all the bullshit other manufacturers such as Apple adding in more blue light settings after people started having eye fatigue from OLED after switching from strictly LCD phones- instead of admitting the low <230Hz PWM of the new OLED iPhones was largely at fault and blue light emission was hardly worse than their old LCD phones.

                        Obviously, the industry is full of slimeballs, so the little rarities of honesty are nice.

                          cizeta A5 proCC mostly worked in the US … until this morning. A7 should work so i may switch to that.

                            23 days later

                            Sunspark I am curious about the S7FE tablet. Did you have another look at it? I am currently located in Greece and no store has it to have a look at it. I only find it online for purchase. I want to buy a tablet with a large screen to review financial information on the fly and this seems promising.

                              I am curious about the iPhone SE 2022. It has a pwm free screen so shouldn´t be a problem for most of us.

                              Although i had issues with my iphone 8 after updating from about ios 14.7. Now that the SE 2022 uses another soc i am curious if something might be fixed for people like me getting headache from LCD iphones after 14.7

                              Anyone try this yet

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