Lauda89 All OLED laptops I've researched are known to have 60Hz modulation/flicker, so possibly a no-go for some folks.

      5 months later

      Staycalmsyndrome Hey @KM just noticed this reference to Android 7.1.2 by @Staycalmsyndrome, specifically without patches after 2018, to be comfortable for him ("Android 7.1.2 with patches > 2018 = QQ"). His tablet is also on 7.1.2 So Paranoid Android dev left out or forgot some patches that OnePlus team applied, as we suspected.

        3 months later

        What works decently for me

        • Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3610ME CPU @ 2.70GHz (4 CPUs), 2.7GHz
          Operating System: Windows Embedded Standard 32-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_rtm.101119-1850)
          Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
          Driver File Version: 9.17.0010.2932
          Monitor Model: S1703
          Native Mode: 1024 x 768(p) (60Hz)
          Current Mode: 1280 x 1024(p) (60Hz)
          Output Type: DVI

        • Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (8 CPUs), 3.5GHz
          Operating System: Windows 10 Home 32-bit (10.0, Build 17763) (17763.rs5_release.180914-1434)
          Card name: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
          Driver File Version: 10.18.10.4358
          Monitor Model: DELL P2312H
          Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60Hz)
          Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (60Hz)
          Output Type: DVI-D
          REMARK: I can clearly notice pixel glowing / fuzziness but for some reason I can handle this setup (at least it does not add on eystrain to the one already caused by the overhead lamps)

        • Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU W3530 @ 2.80GHz (4 CPUs), 2.8GHz
          Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_ldr.180810-0600)
          Card name: NVIDIA Quadro NVS 295
          Driver File Version: 8.16.0011.9175
          Monitor Model: Dell P190S(Digital)
          Native Mode: 1280 x 1024(p) (60.020Hz)
          Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz)
          Output Type: DVI

        • Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750 @ 2.67GHz (4 CPUs), 2.7GHz
          Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_ldr.170209-0600)
          Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GT 710
          Monitor Model: DELL UP3017
          Native Mode: 2560 x 1600(p) (59.972Hz)
          Current Mode: 2560 x 1600 (32 bit) (60Hz)
          Driver File Version: 10.18.0013.5921
          Output Type: HDMI
          REMARK: Needed to adjust to the huge monitor!

        • Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz (8 CPUs), 3.4GHz
          Operating System: Windows 10 Enterprise 64-bit (10.0, Build 17134)
          Card name: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600
          Driver File Version: 20.19.0015.4454
          Monitor Model: DELL E1916H
          Native Mode: 1366 x 768(p) (59.790Hz)
          Current Mode: 1366 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
          Output Type: HD15 (VGA)
          REMARKS: Not particularly pleasant, but display settings (which I cannot adjust) may worsen the experience.

        • Processor: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU W3550 @ 3.07GHz (4 CPUs), 3.1GHz
          Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.110622-1506)
          Card name: AMD FirePro V3900 (ATI FireGL)
          Driver File Version: 8.17.0010.1103
          Monitor Model: DELL PA241W
          Native Mode: 1920 x 1200(p) (59.950Hz)
          Current Mode: 1920 x 1200 (32 bit) (60Hz)
          Output Type: DVI

        • Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4160 CPU @ 3.60GHz (4 CPUs), 3.6GHz
          Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.151230-0600)
          Card name: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4400
          Driver File Version: 10.18.14.4280
          Monitor Model: DELL E2416H
          Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
          Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
          Output Type: HD15 (VGA)


        Usable devices for me at the moment without problems:

        Microsoft Surface Laptop 2 i5/8GB/256
        HP Chromebook HP-14DB0006AU
        External Monitors 27" 2k BenQ BL2710, 32" 2k, Philips Brilliance 328B

        Devices with workarounds
        Smartphone LG v50 (although needs to have OLED Saver app running for indoor use i.e. brightness less than 62%)
        Smartphone LG v30 ( brightness above 42%)
        Notebook Thinkpad Yoga 460 FHD IPS screen (brightness above 50%)

        Sometimes problematic
        I'm alternating between the two, as one becomes worse than the other over time

        • HP Envy 15 x360 (older AMD version - oldest usable drivers, never updated from 1803)
        • MSI Apache GE62 (hd530, gtx960m, also 1803)

        Smartphones

        • iPod Touch 4gen (quite comfortable, although my iPhone 4 is not)
        • Nokia Lumia 650 (1703, tires my eyes fast, but no pain and strong discomfort)

        Tried HTC M7, One X - worse than these two above
        Moto G 1st gen, Samsung A6, A5 2017, J3 2016 - absolutely disastrous

          K-Moss Yeah, suprisingly Lumia 550 with IPS was worse than this (allegedly PWM-free) AMOLED screen.
          Same OS on both.

            So should I get a Lumia 650? Is it much more comfortable for your eyes and brain versus most other phones?

            EDIT: You were saying the Lumia you have tires your eyes fast. I thought 1703 was referring to a different model rather than the software you're using on it.

            OK, so it's not a very good option, just barely adequate.

            • zlhr replied to this.

              K-Moss Yes, it's not something that I would like to end with, still looking for something better.
              1703 is just the windows build number

                Ryzen 7 2700X
                Windows 7 64bit Service Pack 1
                Nvidia Quadro K6000(Kepler)
                Nvidia Quadro Driver 347.52(Last version before Maxwell)
                DVI Connection with standard DVI cable.
                Eizo FlexScan L997(ripped off Anti-Glare film by myself)
                100% Brightness(No PWM) with OSD Color gain control to 50 ~ 60cd/m2, 6500k or 5500k temperature
                (Day: 60cd at 6500k, Night 50cd at 5500k) via Color Calibration(using i1 display pro with DisplayCAL software).

                To me
                major culprit is Anti-Glare film of the monitor.
                No other video card but Kepler.
                Latest Nvidia driver slightly affect my eye strain.
                No Windows 10
                No Intel CPU(I don't know why)

                <Problem - Solution>

                PWM - 100% Brightness setting
                High Brightness - Gain control
                Dithering(OS) - Windows 7
                Dithering(Videocard) - Nvidia Kepler Architecture Card
                Light Diffusion(Heavy AG coating) - Peel off AG film

                I'd like to know what hector is using these days. He was previously trying all kinds of things and finding very good relief with a previous generation BenQ VA.

                  a month later

                  SeniorTaquito My S8 does not bother me either. idk why. It could have something to do with my screen protector. Or possibly because it's an OLED. I'm not sure.

                    6 days later

                    Thats amazing you can use the new iphone! Maybe things are changing for the good!

                    hector But you tried a newer version of that BenQ and it wasn't as good, correct?

                      I've suffered like so many of you with this "invisible" issue and this has effected so many bits of tech that i have bought in the past since i was about 20 and now i'm the ripe old age of 46. I've had issues with TVs, laptops and smart phones. I've tried to narrow it down to what the cause is and come to some conclusions that have worked for me. I don't think its just one thing but i do believe that one aspect is the main factor and that is CONTRAST RATIO of the screen. I find that any screen that has a contrast ratio of over 1000:1 gives me eye strain within minutes. I've tried to "push" through it to the extent that my eyes physically watering but it doesn't get any better the more i persevere. I'm still not sure if PWM is the cause as i've had TVs with zero PWM and my eyes still feel like they are being pinched at each side.

                      This is my list:-
                      Tech that doesn't work for me
                      Tvs
                      LG UH8500
                      Sony KDL7073
                      Sony XG9505BU
                      Samsung RU7400
                      Samsung J6240
                      Panasonic GX820

                      Phones
                      Samsung s7, s8,
                      HTC 10
                      Huawei P9, P20, P20 pro, P10 lite
                      Google Pixel 2XL

                      Laptops
                      Median Erazer x6000 series

                      Tech that does work
                      TVs
                      Sony KDL4000v
                      Samsung EH5300
                      Hisense 7120 Roku TV

                      Phones
                      Samsung s2, s4, s6
                      HTC one m7
                      Huawei P9 lite, Mate 20 lite
                      Nokia 6.1
                      Honor 20

                      Laptops
                      Acer Nitro black edition v15

                      I also find HTC vive ok and i currently have an Oculus quest which is fine but both do cause a little strain after a few hours but no eye pinching.

                      Other factors are reflective glass screens don't help and i don't know why but TVs with 120hz panels give me pain so cheaper TVs are more comfortable for me. It also isn't a case of just turning down the contrast on TVs as some manufacturers don't implement this successfully.Also turning artificial sharpness down helps.

                      Please use the Notebookcheck website for detailed reviews as they measure the Contrast ratio for phones and laptops. Also rtings is great for TV reviews with contrast ratio measurements.

                      I currently use an HONOR 20 mobile phone with a contrast ratio of 875:1 and i can stare at it all day long if needed.

                      I don't know why the samsung s2 and s6 were great to use as they are amoled and should have infinite contrast ratio.

                      Hope this helps others and send me any questions you have.

                        DiscoDave Im using XE9005 which gave me still some problems but its best TV from what I had except old SONY 43WD750 which wored 100% for everythinsg.. My problem started after I sold that TV and bought NEW 4K TVs...
                        You are right about reflections it suirely dont help my screen is semi glossy which isnt that bad for TV but not compared to any monitor with 3H anti glare matte surface.
                        Thanks for the input with the contrast ratio I will try a screen with that...

                        How about OLED have u tried any?

                        For screens that work for me is my old EIZO FS2434 close to 9000 hours and not a single headache there but I need to find a bigger screen to replace my TV which would be OK.

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