Struggling to find a nice TV that's easy to watch

qwop

I wish I knew what it was about OLED TV that makes it hard to look at, I appreciate that white text doesn't shimmer on them but my eyes weren't happy despite this! 🙁 do we know what makes OLED so fatiguing to view for some people?

I looked up what panel has my current TV X90L and it seems to be VA, i can confirm the viewing angles aren't amazing and it looks best if sitting directly in front of it, it's not terrible to the side just a bit more washed out, however it has the intense shimmery whites even at low brightness. maybe there are some settings i don't have correctly?

bluetail

qwop OLED doesn't come with polarizer, or other display filtering things.
It is more immediate or direct. And if it is glossy on-top, then you even get more direct.
That can be fatiguing, as it is also high blue-light emission. I think even much more than else.

qwop

beacon it's rough that these issues seem to get worse over time. i wish there were more flicker-free options for everything, being surrounded by flickery devices is probably harming so many of us over time and making us even more sensitive! thanks i will check them out. did you try other TVs before getting the X85K?

bluetail

Edit I saw you use a Sony X85K. This one uses BGR subpixel layout instead of RGB. A LG QNED90 has RGB - may had been a better choice for compatibility reasons of formats.

@beacon and for PC Displays, I can recommend BenQ XL2546K or above. They are TN Displays with high refresh and are virtually flicker-free if you disable AMA and Dyac. That's what I do.
I did use a colorimeter to get them to 120/cd and Red Green Blue to be even.
It's just great!

But, it won't be color accurate. For that, I plan for a new Display to test:
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B082PKRK5H
BenQ SW321C
BUT since it is IPS, and I had issues with IPS before except on Viewsonic VP2770, I am skeptical if it's the absolute best for me.

qwop

bluetail interesting!! that makes sense, i had no idea how OLED was different aside from the pixels turning on and off individually instead of a backlight. seems like the polarizer and other filters might be important for eye health. that is good to know!

moonpie

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WhisperingWind

A small note, possibly not entirely on the topic.

I have a Sony KD-49X (it's over 5 years old). After purchasing the TV, I noticed that I couldn't watch it for more than a couple of hours before my eyes started to hurt. I wanted to sell it, but in time I've noticed that if the technology that makes movements smoother is enabled, my eyes get tired much faster. If it's turned off, I can watch TV for a long time without eye strain. Therefore, I made it a rule to turn off all enhancers and see if my eyes feel better. Then I gradually turn them back on.

qwop

Small update on this topic, I returned the X90L in the end. After the comments on this thread I'm moving away from the high end TVs and I think I'm choosing between either Bravia 3 or X85K to replace it with. The Bravia 3 is a new model and easy to get from any store, but there's a clearanced X85K near me that we could get for cheaper than the Bravia 3.

Would either of these be better than the other? They are both flicker free, my partner is more interested in the X85K because it's 120hz for gaming. Bravia 3 is IPS and the X85K is VA. Apparently the VA has better contrast but the IPS has better viewing angles. I've seen people say that both technologies work for their eyes 🤞 I wasn't able to compare the two TV in a store because the X85K is discontinued.

Hopefully either one of them will work well!

qwop

BTW I saw that one of these two TVs has VRR but it can be enabled/disabled so i'm not worried about it, I saw that VRR can cause flickering and I will just disable it. I never had it enabled on my X90L either when I had PC plugged in for gaming

moonpie

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qwop

moonpie Thanks! I was wondering why IPS panel is better than VA? I'm not worried about VRR because it can be turned off, I was a bit worried about the image quality of IPS vs VA in a darker room as I read that for rooms that aren't bright, VA should be better/have a bit better black levels, but I don't know much about eyestrain between the two.

D1Vad

qwop hey! What did you end up with, any luck? I am still trying to find a newer TV that doesnt hurt my eyes.

moonpie

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Sunspark

Try this.. set up a light source behind the tv. This is called bias lighting.

moonpie

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D1Vad

moonpie thanks for the tip.

I am a gamer so 120hz would be nice, hence i tried x85k. I didnt have any headaches just text was a bit annoying, prob because its BGR pixels. I should have kept it and no older refurbs left now 🙁

I tried samsung S95D thinking my issues were clossy screens, and QD-OLED is horrible for my eyes. Worked this out from the 34" monitor (dell and samsung) aswell.

I have never had issues with any IPS computer monitors and always preferred them over VAs… So x77l or Bravia 3 are worth a shot. But i am after 65" and you reckon the Bravia 3 is VA in the size. Damn cant win

moonpie

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D1Vad

moonpie thank you really appreciate the advice.

I never turned off VRR on the x85k, but i assumed VRR would have only been issue with gaming.

I agree with IPS, the less contrast seems to make it easier on my eyes. Shame the image is more washed out, but i want comfort!

moonpie

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