iPhone 17 PWM feature

K-Moss

phantomarray "I was thinking of getting a TCL Nxtpaper 60 Ultra but there are quite a few reasons why I’d rather not buy one, although obviously our health must come first."

Which reasons? Even if you can use an OLED screen, surely IPS LCD is healthier.

AshX

phantomarray

They’re clearly prioritizing brightness, color reproduction, and battery life benchmarks over everything else. It’s just ridiculous that my iPhone 13 from 2022 has a modulation depth below 10% at every brightness level except 25% and below, yet the iPhone 17 series has 95%+ modulation depth at all brightness levels even with this toggle enabled.

A disgrace.

Clokwork

AshX They’re clearly prioritizing brightness, color reproduction, and battery life benchmarks over everything else.

Well said! I was going to type something similar.

This new series of 17 phones all use an updated panel. Squeezing more brightness out probably requiring more modulation. I partially blame Samsung for this as well since the panels are based on their technology and I’m guessing using their controllers

AshX

Clokwork This new series of 17 phones all use an updated panel. Squeezing more brightness out probably requiring more modulation. I partially blame Samsung for this as well since the panels are based on their technology and I’m guessing using their controllers

Agreed. It’s the only variable that makes sense

K-Moss USB-C headsets and adapters don't seem to provide clear mic quality, so people end up using wireless.

Exactly. Those of us in audio know that the magnetic field created by the Air Pods is not good and poorly studied. Wired solutions sound superior and are safer. The mainstream has covered this in recent months.

K-Moss

If Apple cared about your health, they would not have removed the headphone jack.

augusto

K-Moss what is it todo with health?

There is always usb-c if you want wired connection

K-Moss

augusto USB-C headsets and adapters don't seem to provide clear mic quality, so people end up using wireless.

K-Moss

AshX I got decent mic performance using the 24-bit UGreen adapter. EarPods gave awful mic performance. Even if the UGreen adapter is adequate, I'd still prefer having a headphone jack. Tried also another USB-C headset and the Anker adapter. Those like the EarPods gave awful mic performance. Therefore, only the UGreen adapter, of what I have tested so far, is adequate for use on phone calls.

Edit: forgot to mention, the UGreen product seems like very nice quality for what it is. That said, it was heating up just from using it on a short phone call. I'm guessing it drains quite some battery vs a headphone jack.

specamfi

(I haven't been able to use any OLED iPhone comfortably - I still use an 11 - not Pro). I tried the 17 Pro Max at Target (in the US) and toggled the feature on and off. The phone is more comfortable either way than other iPhones but I'll need more time with it. Reduce white point adjustments automatically turn the feature off. I used slo-mo video on to see the difference and it is definitely making a change.

Note that when I went to the Apple Store an hour later I tried the feature there on all the 17s. I used the slow-mo video and confirmed that it does not work/change anything in the Apple Store demo mode on the phones I tried.

K-Moss

specamfi I thought Reduce White Point and Extra Dim introduce dithering?

tck175

macsforme I already tried turn off PWM in iPhone 17 and I still feel headaches. So , my problem is not PWM, maybe temporal dithering.

JTL

tck175 Well. I have reason to believe this feature is imperfect to say the least, so I wouldn't entirely say it eliminates flicker as part of potential factors causing your problem.

ITwebs

tck175

The new toggle seems to be designed for pwm at low brightness only, it does not address middle to high brightness level pwm. So you may not notice any difference.

Clokwork

tck175 So , my problem is not PWM, maybe temporal dithering.

Certainly my biggest issue (TD). No major player wants to address that. I wish one of us sufferers was wealthy enough to make a startup for a phone minus TD and PWM. I wouldn’t care how low end the phone was. I sincerely hope I see this pop up on Kickstarter some day. A non scam campaign that is.

tck175

JTL so which mobile phone you will suggest to use ? Motorola ? In Hong Kong, there is only Moto G73 5G available.

tck175

ITwebs so which mobile phone you will suggest to use ? Motorola ? In Hong Kong, there is only Moto G73 5G available.

JTL

tck175 Afraid I can't help you there

ITwebs

tck175

I am also searching for a comfortable phone. Hopefully the new real rgb oled technology by TCL soon will bring people a better screen.

tck175

Clokwork 100% agree!

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