"I upgraded my iPhone 11 to a motoG75 and I’m mostly loving it 😃"

K-Moss

https://www.reddit.com/r/PWM_Sensitive/comments/1j6vl5l/i_upgraded_my_iphone_11_to_a_motog75_and_im/

Another testimonial for the G75. Fantastic phone for sensitive individuals.

Interestingly, this user reports issues from the infrared sensor, both on the G75 and the iPhone.

"I got headaches whenever I have the sticker spot for the infrared sensor uncovered. It was a horrendous nonaura migraine pain you guys. It left as soon as I covered it. Voila!"

I didn't believe it could cause issues, but that's a strong anecdote that I'm going to assume is not placebo. You can also disable sensors using a Quick Button, but that will disable all sensors instead of just the 1. You need the sensors if you want the unit to auto-rotate when you change orientation from portrait to landscape and to facilitate adaptive brightness.

Another glowing anecdote:

"So thank god I have found this phone ( I tried many phons and it was always ending with massive headaches and dizziness) I must say that the G75 is awesome and pretty updated phones that provides everything it promise. Fully recommended"

https://www.reddit.com/r/PWM_Sensitive/comments/1nhk2rx/motorola_g75/

People who can't use the G75 may be able to use the G 2025, but if they can't use the G 2025 it's safe to say they can't use any OLED or IPS LCD. G75 will work for the vast majority of sensitive users. G 2025 will catch the rest.

Another PWM_Sensitive user:

"Is it confirmed anywhere that the small flicker at the top bothers people? My G Stylus 2023 5G and other phones have had that and not bothered me, but the G Power 2025 and 2024 both do trigger symptoms. I'm assuming it's the mediatek."

Don't know about those models, but the G 2025 with MediaTek does not dither. It has been put under a microscope. There is no dithering. The G 2025 is the device I recommend for the most sensitive people.

QuitePainful

K-Moss The second thread you linked has several people saying they couldn't use the phone.

I have to ask, do you work for Motorola?

languidicity

K-Moss

It's not good for sensitive people - I should know as I had one. Really bad dithering and laser-like LTPS panel with harsh whites and contrast. I don't recommend it Funnily enough it's not too dissimilar to the iPhone 11 I used to own. For the few years that I owned it I thought my eyesight was just deteriorating with age as I entered my forties - turns out it was just the phone and my eyes trying to constantly focus on the dithering pixels. I even went to see an opthamologist for the first time in my life to get my eyes tested and they prescribed glasses. Once I upgraded to a new phone and sold the iPhone 11 my eyesight recovered within days. I have been for another eye test since and my eyesight is much better than that first test despite the fact that I'm now even older.

K-Moss

QuitePainful I focus on Motorola because they make the best phone screens for sensitive individuals while still being easily available to North Americans. Great selection of IPS LCD phones as well as DC-dimmed pOLED premium models.

Once again, the Moto G 2025 is the crown jewel right now for eye comfort enthusiasts. Doesn't get better than that unit, and one look at Amazon.com verifies it is selling like hotcakes. "2K+ bought in past month" and if you read the reviews some remark on its exceptional eye comfort. For example:

I got this phone due to its supposed DC dimming and an online review that showed no screen flicker. I am happy to report that the phone does not disappoint: I've had the screen brightness as low as few percent and it does not strobe at all. Does not induce headaches, dry eyes, dizziness, confusion. Kindest phone screen I've seen in a decade.
Based on some other reviews I thought that the phone would be slow and crappy otherwise (which still would have been a good tradeoff for me), but that is not the case at all. The OS is pretty clean with almost no bloatware, battery seemingly lasts forever, audio is pretty good, screen is excellent, and the phone overall is snappy.
A great purchase honestly.

Another glowing eye comfort review:

Highlights:

Real flicker free at all brightness levels (measured with oscilloscope)

Convenient side fingerprint

Decent photo quality with sufficient lighting

3.5mm headphone jack

Gave up on flagship phones because all of them use low frequency+deep modulation PWM displays. This LCD phone is really easy on my eyes.

They add:

I wish flagship phones are simply premium versions of this phone, instead of painful flagships with eyeball-killing screens, sluggish in-display fingerprint sensors, and deliberately removed headphone jacks.

K-Moss

languidicity So what are you using now? The G 2025 is what I recommend for eye comfort enthusiasts who need zero flicker and zero dithering. Its low resolution 720p is easily driven so the unit enjoys superb battery life and surprising power for everyday productivity. Moreover, there is speculation trying to drive high resolution displays using phone batteries causes some issues in and of itself. One said ALL the high res IPS LCD displays dither. He said only the G 2025 does not. He said he tested them all with his own eyes.

K-Moss

languidicity ANY evidence the G75 dithers in any way?

You write:

turns out it was just the phone and my eyes trying to constantly focus on the dithering pixels.

Where is your evidence? Besides that, if you look at the sky or colors in nature, there is some kind of dithering going on. Nothing is fully stable. If you look at air you can see how rapidly moving it is. Nature is enormously dynamic.

Lots of accusations of things wrong with the G75, but I have never seen any clear evidence either for any kind of flicker or for any kind of dithering. Quite likely the LED backlight is somewhat irritating, but the evidence for G75 dithering is completely lacking.

Once more, if you are indeed an eye comfort enthusiast forget about models like the G75. The G 2025 offers a significantly kinder display for very sensitive individuals as well as those demanding the highest level of eye comfort. Some of you need a good kick to the rear to refocus your priorities. You claim to be eye comfort enthusiasts or obsessives, and even still choose every single time the less comfortable display if it means higher specs.

I have a G 2025. I know what it offers. I know the soothing breath of fresh air the eyes experience when going from a typical phone display to that unusually kind 720p IPS LCD.

Like I've said, if the overlords want to damage or mess with the general public, they will ensure options still remain for their own eyes and brains. The Moto G 2025 is one of those fine options. You can buy 5 of them for under $1000 in total, meaning your whole family can use a kind phone display with a perfectly stable image down to the pixel level. This eye comfort champion is hidden in plain sight, exactly as we would expect if those high in the hierarchy want an easily available option without calling attention to the health hazards of the big flagship models.

K-Moss

languidicity You write:

turns out it was just the phone and my eyes trying to constantly focus on the dithering pixels

This is a key clue about why men are so much more affected by eye strain issues.

You are not meant to "focus" on screens. Vision is meant to come easier. It is the strong focusing that is causing the strain and other issues. You aren't meant to look too intently at what you are looking at.

Two books:
"Take off your glasses and see!" by Jacob Liberman
"Relearning to See: Improve Your Eyesight Naturally!" by Thomas Quackenbush

The screen just is giving you the information you need to work effectively with your device. You aren't meant to be focusing on the screen or the pixels, but instead assimilating as needed the visual contents, and in an easy and comfortable way.

I stumbled onto this clue about overfocusing on screens and pixels when reading about a male eye strain sufferer saying he was seeing behind the pixels and that this seeing behind them, or however he termed it, was causing him significant strain.

Women will not focus on the screens like habitual eye strain sufferers in these communities. They just use the screens to enjoy their devices. Those here almost certainly have different visual habits, which are making them far more susceptible to eye strain and brain issues.

Try having some liquor while using your screen and see if that diminishes any strain or brain issues. If it does, it corroborates my thinking above.

macsforme

K-Moss Besides that, if you look at the sky or colors in nature, there is some kind of dithering going on.

Sorry, but I feel compelled to strongly disagree with this statement. Perceiving colors in nature is about as dissimilar as you can get from perceiving fake color tones on a screen via repetitive flicker patterns. Dithering relates to the inability of technology to replicate "fractional" colors.

On a small tangent, as a reader of this forum I would suggest that your multiple new topics per week arguing basically the same point would be easier to follow within a single topic supplemented with new posts as you have further information to add.

QuitePainful

K-Moss You claim to be eye comfort enthusiasts or obsessives, and even still choose every single time the less comfortable display if it means higher specs.

I don't think anyone is claiming anything of the sort, I've only seen you call people obsessive in a mocking way for suffering from this ailment.

It sounds like you don't actually understand the problem and are just trying to sell phones.

K-Moss

Just wanted to add I added the Screen Dimmer - OLED SAVER app to one of my IPS LCD Moto phones, and the results are even better. The screen has become like e Ink. Still need to play around with it some more, but any hint of any eye strain is completely gone. Saying that, there really is something about the G 2025 even without any applications for improved display comfort. That screen, somehow, is refreshing and calming, which is entirely different from merely looking calming. OLED screens often can look soft, paperlike, gentle while exerting harsh effects on the eyes and brain.

simplex

K-moss is hidden motorola seller which involved in ledstrain community

Proove me I am wrong if in every message he lick moto ass 😉

K-Moss

Another benefit of LCD: better sleep and faster sleep onset.

Oh🥲 Yeah, I am able to fall asleep in 5-10 minutes. Earlier I used to fall asleep after 2-3 AM when I went to bed literally at 11:30 - 12 PM. My screen time on Fusion 5G is 10hr+, so it's working 😃

I now switched to HMD Fusion 5G(Indian Variant) which has a 720p + 90Hz LCD, although I use it at 60 Hz. Now I am able to fall asleep within 5-10 minutes even on my bad days, my productivity improved a lot, and feeling a lot better wrt health.

They report:

moto edge 30 has ruined my life for 2 years, I recently realised that it's all due to the [O]LED display. Its display got screen full of green lines two times, replaced the first time but discarded the phone the second time. It made my life a living hell for 2 years with sleepless nights, lethargic mornings, headaches and what not.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PWM_Sensitive/comments/1n9wlbk/comment/ncrq9vv/?force-legacy-sct=1

Notice we were told OLED would result in lower blue light emissions and improved evening hygiene. It seems the reverse is true. OLED subjects the brain to more harmful light emissions that disrupt sleep, and healthy sleep is necessary to heal the body and keep the eyes comfortable, so it can be a cumulative toxin.

K-Moss

The Motorola helped me to live a near symptom-free life again after switching from a Pixel 7a, which gave me severe symptoms ranging from piercing headaches, teary eyes and sometimes outright anger from looking at that screen. Which was quite odd...

https://www.reddit.com/r/PWM_Sensitive/comments/1nicag8/just_received_the_tcl_nxtpaper_60_ultra/