Donux And low cost. I am wondering, who is pushing for these screen improvements? Is it Chinese, Taiwanese, Singapore manufacturers themselves, or companies like Apple, Dell, Microsoft is asking for it as well as puting their own R&D budgets towards it?
It’s both. BOE got into the game because they undercut LG and Samsung. Then they were dropped by Apple at one point I believe either 2022 or 2023 because their screens were not up to par. It’s a race to the bottom coupled with COVID era supply chain issues. Of course Apple has always had questionable quality control but it seems like it’s much more often across devices now than it was during the Jobs era
Donux Well, 999 usd/eur for macbook air m1, was absurdly low. And as Seth Godin said - if there is a brand, you must be paying premium for it. So if you deduct brand premium, deduct margin, you are left with ridiculously low amount left to produce one of these, and it can do P3 colors. It already smells super fishy to me.
Would love if someone here spoke Mandarin and could communicate with the Chinese screen sensitive community and see what’s really going on behind the scenes. I’m curious whether true 10-bit is actually technologically feasible in the same way true 8-bit is. Even the true 10-bit monitors (of which there are few) anecdotally don’t seem to work for people.
What is very obvious to me especially from Nick Sutrich’s YouTube reviews is how all modern LCD screens tend to use dithering to render the P3 color space. He recently reviewed a tablet that was so obviously dithering. OLED by contrast seldom does, or if it does, we need a much better camera to capture it.
It’s why I sort of disagree with @K-Moss in many respects. Old LCD (pre 2022, even pre 2020) is such a different beast than the modern LCD screens. The Reddit article by Top G I shared at the beginning of this thread highlights one reason why modern LCD is not the same: the panels are being phased out and what is left is of low quality and made as cheaply as possible.
Where I do agree with K-Moss is theoretically a DC-dimmed well diffused flicker free LCD is superior and probably safe for most. The problem is you likely have to run software from the 2010s in order to not introduce flicker to such monitors.
We are in a very troubling place where MiniLED, OLED, and it seems soon MicroLED is going to become the norm. Theoretically I think OLED has the potential to be quite safe, but none of these tech companies want to accept the drawbacks like power draw, burn in, etc. that traditionally has made OLED undesirable. So they’re opting for PWM instead. But this is an LED lighting problem, too. Some are fine and others are incredibly dangerous.
I personally feel that there’s going to come a time when you just can’t make screens brighter. 3,000 nits is ridiculous for an iPhone 17. We are already seeing the limitations of Apple Silicon, to the point where Apple is allegedly going to split the CPU and GPU. NVIDIA and AMD are giving them a run for their money and while the new Macs are powerful devices, they have serious flaws, flicker notwithstanding.
I will continue to make the argument to anyone who will listen that we are the canaries in the proverbial coal mine when it comes to flicker and modern screens and lighting. This stuff is so poorly understood, mostly by design. The studies utilized by tech companies are akin to the pharmaceutical industry doing their own testing and clinical studies. And we’ve seen how well that goes (lawsuits, injuries, deaths) throughout the years.
It’s funny when I think back to being a kid in the early 2000s and people warned about putting cell phones next to your ear because of radiation and cancer. As soon as the iPhone dropped we stopped hearing about that. I was unaware the iPhone 12 had a radiation problem. Yet everyone is using Air Pods and very few are concerned. There is such blind naivety amongst the population when it comes to fancy new gadgets, which are absolutely novel in the grand scheme of human evolution. It’s not being a conspiracy theorist wanting to ask questions and have proper studies done on the effects on human biology and health.
As to how we find ways to function during this era, well, continued testing is important. No one is going to do this for us, and certainly if OP will be willing to do more scientifically sound research; it will help the cause greatly.