JTL "refresh rate" to 60Hz in the graphics settings, does it give you strain?

Yes, it does. Also the 144Hz that the screen supports. 240Hz is really nice for me.

  • KM replied to this.

    deepflame Do you also notice a difference in eye comfort between frequencies when looking at a static screen? E.g. static desktop where nothing at all is moving, not even scrolling.

      KM Yes, absolutely. But I still feel a bit discomfort when using Firefox Quantum vs. using Safari. So there is still something going on but the main source of flicker is eliminated.

      7 days later

      Hey there, just to give you an update. I have used this screen intensively for 6 days in a row now with 6-7 hours straight pretty much every day. I have to say that I have quite some headache now. Not sure if this is the screen, dry eyes or simply stress because I had to finish my task on time.
      Will investigate further and update.

      • hpst replied to this.

        MagnuM No, but I definitely get motion sick when playing 3D games where you move quickly and the path is narrow. Or when I watch related videos. The more open the field, the better it gets.

        Edit: To clarify, my quoted comment was not related to this. The question I asked was to understand if 144 Hz may help with eye strain you get when you look at static screen content (e.g. Windows 10, Firefox Quantum, some Android versions...).

        deepflame I expected as much since it takes a few days for most new stuff to really show you if it's going to be ok long term. I didn't think refresh rate should help based on personal experience and the way LCD's refresh, but it was worth a shot. Whatever the root cause is for you is still happening.

          hpst Did you find a setup that is working for you for long periods of work in front of a screen yet?

          I have to say that I was diagnosed with nystagmus (uncontrolled eye movement/flickering) and thought that my condition might have to do with that as well. However I can remember that I had streaks of long working hours years ago like most of you had. Or maybe I just get old(er), not sure

            deepflame I have some weird eye stuff as well but it's proven not the root cause of my problem. I wouldn't argue it can make things worse...but there is definitely a technology issue at play here for 99% of people in my opinion as proven by the fact everyone has at least one "safe" thing they can look at...and we don't have the same strains in non screen related life.

            deepflame I have to say that I was diagnosed with nystagmus

            I've had nystagmus since I was born.

              JTL Just a thought, might not be accurate, but maybe since the screen is running at a higher refresh rate the dithering is "running" at a faster rate?

              If that's the case just wait until I get my dithering fixes done. 🙂

              Also, anyone have thoughts on this?

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                JTL I've had nystagmus

                so you mean it is gone now with your "special treatment"?

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                  JTL

                  JTL Just a thought, might not be accurate, but maybe since the screen is running at a higher refresh rate the dithering is "running" at a faster rate?

                  If that's the case just wait until I get my dithering fixes done. 🙂

                  It might be the case - in my tests Ipad Pro (120 Hz) didn't show sings of flicker, unlike 60Hz displays. I guess it will be more likely to be related if dithering happens on hardware side, but who knows 🙂

                  9 months later
                  deepflame changed the title to 144Hz/240Hz Screens - not just for gaming? .

                  @jasonpicard had some very valuable inputs on the "flicker free LED lights" thread ( https://ledstrain.org/d/106-flicker-free-led-lights/109 ) and I thought of rather continuing the discussion about gaming gear/ overdrive functionality here.

                  @jasonpicard I understand that this tech may be very interesting for gamers but I wonder how and why it should help people like me who mostly read text and watch some Youtube videos?

                  When you told that the LG24GL600F solved all your eyestrain issues that you had for around 11 years I was wondering if the overdrive function smoothens out every flickering there is coming from the computer by (if I understood correctly) predicting the next pixel/color values and interpolating their values to 144Hz?

                  Did you also have issues before when looking at a steady Windows desktop where nothing is moving? I have issues now looking at a phone or screen for some seconds and react to it immediately (and there is no active motion like video).

                  Does BlurBuster have an updated list of monitors with good overdrive features and is the one you have now "the best" on the current market in this regard?

                    deepflame I totally had issues even when reading text on a screen or a webpage or doing anything. Someone just was showing me a video on his crappy phone and it was hurting my eyes. Did you watch the video on eye tracking? https://www.blurbusters.com/faq/oled-motion-blur/ Look at this page and check out the explanation of eye tracking. Every LED/CCFL follows this rule. That is why a higher refresh rate will help. The way I understand it though is it will take to a 1000hz refresh rate to equal a CRT without using tricks like overdrive and black frame insertion, https://www.blurbusters.com/blur-busters-law-amazing-journey-to-future-1000hz-displays-with-blurfree-sample-and-hold/

                    Check out the journey to a 1000hz article. LED's are kind of terrible when you look at these rules they follow. Your brain has to compensate for crazy things happening. In regards to your Youtube question my question would be does anyone on here no what Youtube videos are filmed at? Is it 24 frames or something else. This will create a different problem then reading text on a website. Movie Theatres usually run at 48 or 72 refresh rates so movies will work perfect with them because movies are usually filmed at 24fps. They double scan or triple scan the image and I think this makes it flicker free. Last generation CRT's were capable of this running at 100hz or 120hz and doing a double scan trick making them flicker free.

                    deepflame I am not sure about the list but I have spent a lot of time on there but when you are buying a monitor you can look up reviews on rtings.com and they usually tell you what level you can set the overdrive to without creating additional problems. The link I sent to you in the other thread about dither and the almost 10 other different LED problems is essential reading. Even the questions I asked in the other link he says things about screens I have never heard anyone else every mention or say before. Like the prototype LED's 98CRI that use the violet chip that have almost no blue light. Except they are too expensive to make right now. Or for me the issue maybe I just don't like bright screens. Before LED/CCFL all our screens were 2900K. I'm testing a flicker free LED right now at 2700K in my gaming room. So far it seems to be good but I want to wait longer. If it goes well I am going to buy 3 more at 2200K to get the more yellow look but the Lumens are higher so it produces more light. If I can still game for hours on end which I usually do it once a week every Sunday night. I will know they are good. I believe for me PWM is the worst and now I know CRI isn't the issue because from what I understand all LED screens use crappy CRI 80 lights or you can't even find the information. I think I might see even more improvement with flicker free LED bulbs because the Incandescents I use have minor flicker so I will essentially be in a room with no flicker when I'm gaming.

                    deepflame I remembered one other thread on Blur Busters where most of the people were complaining about the 240HZ monitors. Most people are waiting for the second generation of panels to come out which probably should be this year. A few have been mentioned already but that doesn't mean they will be good. Wait for these guys and other sites to test them first.

                      jasonpicard

                      I am trying to understand how refresh rate could be such a problem and wonder if it's an issue why most of us do better with old CCFL displays and old LED phones, which are 60hz but stil LCDs and drawing the same way regardless of backlight. Do you have a theory as to why? Also why are the 240hz displays being complained about so much if faster refresh is better? I may be missing some fundamental bit in all the info so apologies if you have already said that.

                      As @deepflame asked I have major problems even on websites with no apparent movement. I don't game or have the hardware for it so can't compare motion blur in that regard.

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