ryans

He diagnosed exophoria.

Here is my Neurolens reading:

Neurolens value: 1.4 BI [base in] (0.75 each eye)

They wouldn’t give me the readout to keep but the picture they showed me indicated that I look far beyond the content I’m looking at, especially while doing close work. When I asked him about this he agreed with my saying “convergence excess” (Edit: This doesn’t make sense, see my next post)

@martin

I would appreciate your thoughts on this.

This seems like a couple of different problems.

Edit: See my next post in this thread for additional information on whether I have convergence insufficiency vs excess.

      degen Thanks for reporting back. I think this is the opposite problem @martin has; you have exophoria and he has esophoria. I hope it will make a difference for you! When will get you the lenses? Were you able to try anything in office?

      Does he think this will help with your symptoms?

          ryans

          I don’t understand how I could have convergence excess based on the diagram I was shown. I thought looking past the image like I saw is convergence insufficiency. I really wish I had a print out of my Neurolens reading to refer to.

          Maybe there was a miscommunication and I have insufficiency. I will call and sort it out tomorrow.

          The Neurolens screen said “EXO” as well, I remember. I think I can be confident that the Neurolens technology itself at least diagnosed exophoria.

          I am unsure about convergence now as diagram is showed me was seems consistent with convergence insufficiency, not excess as he said.

              degen You don't have convergence excess based on the Neurolens reading, probably there was a miscommunication. Looking too far is exophoria / convergence insufficiency. I've been hearing from many folks on Reddit that these were a huge help, hoping it works well for you.

              Your prism prescription isn't that large, but according to Neurolens, the amount of prism correction required is not correlated with the severity of the symptoms.

                  ryans

                  That makes sense. Thank you.

                  For interest sake, here is my diagnoses from an optometrist who did visual therapy (unfortunately I did not engage his services). It looks like he got it right. From back in 2014:

                    20 days later
                    10 days later

                    I've had Neurolens glasses for almost a year now. They've helped adequately. My eye doctor also has an eye therapy program that's an alternative to the glasses. I wonder if anybody has done that therapy program?

                    Before the glasses my symptoms were eye strain/pain, dry eyes, baggy eyes, neck and shoulder pain. The glasses have brought them symptoms down to a 1 or 0. I'm glad people are able to see past their marketing and how new they are to the market, but I've seen great improvements with the glasses. And the "contoured" part is really nice to have, as I can focus better on close, medium, and distance things depending on where I look through the lenses, further reducing strain.

                      plymn10 Curious what are your Neurolens measurements? Did they give you a diagnosis (convergence insufficiency)?

                      Glad to hear you've found some relief. We know a few people tried Neurolens on here and it unfortunately didn't help them that much -- I will visit an OD tomorrow to see if I am a candidate for them.

                          8 days later

                          Got tested today. I am not sure I trust the Neurolens device; it was a 2 minute test and told me I needed BI prism (this is <1 DP in each eye).

                          My previous vision therapy I had divergence issues (and still do), which typically a BO prism is prescribed. It seems the Neurolens overprescribes BI prism.

                          I am going to try them out anyway since it's a money-back guarantee. They did give me a trial lens which did seem to relax my eyes a bit, so that's worth something.

                          7 days later

                          ryans Good question. I never got a copy of my measurements, but I will next time I go in. The money-back guarantee is what got me to try them. I'm curious if they offered a therapy option as well?

                            Got it emailed to me. If anybody is curious. Is there anything I forgot to include here?

                            I'll add that I wasn't told I have BVD. But rather, my BVD symptoms occurred as a result of trigeminal dysphoria. After about 6 months of wearing the lenses, I got retested and my misalignment had drastically improved. My symptoms of BVD are always the least present in the mornings, but ramp up during the day (unless wearing the glasses). I found this curious. I can't help but wonder if Neurolens treats the problem/prevents the symptom rather than just treating the symptom.

                            Found a great post on binocular vision dysfunction: https://helloamh.com/binocular-vision-dysfunction-vertical-heterophoria-and-prism-glasses/

                            Note for this person, they prism glasses AND neck chiropractic care: https://www.healio.com/news/optometry/20150514/j722_2005_12_news_print_2

                            Dr. Debby suspected an underlying neck condition and urged me to have my neck checked. I met a chiropractor who specialized in the upper neck, who confirmed I had a severe neck misalignment. A month after being under chiropractic care and having my neck back in proper alignment, my eyes were reevaluated. It was determined that my vertical misalignment had resolved and all I had left was the smallest amount of horizontal misalignment possible. There was a direct correlation between the misalignment of my neck and the misalignment of my eyes.

                            There's also a Facebook group for BVD here.

                            Just got the Neurolens. I've worn them for a few hours, and they seem to be making things worse on a good setup. I guess I need some more time to adjust to them.

                            • bkdo replied to this.

                              ryans

                              Yup, this was my experience as well. I wouldn't worry about it, it took me literally like 2-3 weeks before they started to make my eyes feel better. Please do let us know if you notice any improvements w/ flickering screens though 😃

                                10 days later

                                I have used Neurolens for over a month. It's not working.

                                I now have strong medial rectus pain which is not getting better. I can't look at anything close without triggering this pain. A very bad situation. I don't believe that Neurolens is the cause, as I was pushing through work, but it certainly didn't prevent this serious setback in my vision.

                                I still believe I have BVD, but Neurolens is not my cure.

                                a month later
                                a month later

                                Angetastic What's your diagnosis? Neurolens is very expensive, but the company itself offers a refund it it doesn't work; ask your doctor if they will do the same. If you get your money back, it's worth a try.

                                Neurolens is for convergence insufficiency / vertical heterophoria. Do you have either of those?

                                Vision Therapy for convergence insufficiency is effective; lookup the Convergence Insufficiency Treatment Trial (CITT).

                                    dev