12 days later

JTL Yes, one of my not-so-throwaway accounts has this very same nick.

Sorry for the original post above, it was written in my cell phone while at an airport, so I was not perfectly clear at all at some points.

MagnuM Hello. I definitely feel your pain. I'm also a Software Engineer and I share the same fears as you. Regarding a career switch, there would be no advantage at all -- most jobs nowadays will require you to sit your ass in the office in front of a computer anyway so unless you decide to be a lumberjack or get some sort of blue collar work there is not that much to do.

Plus, I totally agree with you. PWM or not, I will feel exactly the same discomfort with a laptop display. But I also believe there are people that are actually sensitive to that.

I'm pretty sure this kind of .. discomfort we feel is not binary. There are manifold degrees and most people either don't have it or have it in small doses. Doses so small they don't even notice or care about. As it stands, that is bad for us, because we sure are a minority. But as the economies develop, we'll get more and more people working in white collar jobs requiring them to sit their asses more often and for longer periods than before. More people will develop these kinds of symptoms, and I'm pretty sure that in the next couple of years, with the introduction of LED lightning pretty much everywhere, a critical threshold of sufferers will be attained which will force further, real investigation into this topic.

Anyway, I bought a 2nd hand HP Pavilion dv6 from 2011 and this is so much softer in my eyes 🙂. But it's interesting, because now I notice that it gives me a very mild headache to use it. I'm pretty sure this was already like this in the past, but as I was not so much aware of the problems of lightning I didn't notice. I also feel a strange sensation in the throat, as if I was having acid reflux. I know I have suffered with this problem for most of my live, but at the time I also had no idea it could be related to my laptop's screen.

PS: I think this forum is a very interesting development in our saga to improve our situations, but I wonder if we couldn't have some way of registering our symptoms / discoveries in a more straightforward way? Having to go through all these posts is counterproductive. It looks like several of us are Software Engineers, so maybe we could think of something else that could complement this forum? I would like to have some way to have different people register all their findings with tags or something, and then we could create some sort of visual graph where we could see it all.

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    JTL I had one too in the past. It always overheated (this one does too) and one day it simply died. I will buy one of those ventilation pads to help to keep it cool. Hopefully as I only use the laptop to work (no gaming) I won't have too much trouble for the upcoming months or years. This is so much better in the eyes that my other, more recent LED laptop. If only there was a way of having some company keeping producing this kind of screens...

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      JTL From what I've read, it should be complicated because recent LED screens are way thinner than these CCFL old ones (and because the circuitry is different, also). This CCFL screen display is really thicker than my newer LED one.

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        JTL They state it's LED, but if it's LED it's not a blue LED. It's for sure something quite different to what's being sold nowadays on stores. I always thought this was CCFL?

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          __528491__ Same.

          Don't think a laptop that cheap would use anything other than blue LED. RGB LED displays cost thousands of dollars.

            degen I don't doubt it. White LED is phosphor covered blue LED.

            I have a couple DV6's kicking around here. They definitely use some kind of milder LED. I find a lot of 1st-gen LED's (from 2011 era) are just fine for my eyes. In fact, my favorite screen EVER is on my Dell XPS 17 (1702x) which is 120hz, 3d capable, and LED. But it's wonderful on my eyes. I think they used either a coating on the LED or just a more "yellow" LED in general.

              Gurm 1702x

              Might be more decent than the HP's in terms of build quality 😉

              __528491__ Also. Regarding kindles. It is possible to change the font and it should be possible to modify the OS to completely disable the backlight.

              3 years later

              Gurm still like the dell xps? looking at buying one to try out

              I like the older XPS. I haven't found a brand-new one that I'm ok with. I use a 2015 model XPS13.

              Or did you mean the XPS17 (1702x) in which case yes it's still my daily driver. The 1st-gen i7 is getting a little long in the tooth, but still keeps up most of the time.

              4 years later

              JTL My 2nd hand HP Pavilion DV6 still works to this day!! And I've been using it daily!

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