I honestly never knew I was susceptible to LED strain until recently. Used a Dell E173Fpf IPS monitor for 14 years and never had many issues. It's almost dead unfortunately, and I've been looking for a new monitor. Every single one that I've bought so far has caused me some form of strain. This includes dry eyes, sharp pain in the forehead and light headedness.

The Toshiba Satellite laptop that I use has been a real life saver since my desktop monitor is on it's last legs. It doesn't cause me any pain at all and I can spend a lot of time looking at it. The computer's panel type is TN.

So far the monitors I've bought have been:

ASUS VP228HE TN
BenQ GW2280 VA
Acer V227Q bip IPS

At this point, I'm not sure what to do or know what's causing the strain. These new monitors feel insanely bright and turning down the brightness doesn't seem to help.

    CheesyBiscuit The Toshiba Satellite laptop that I use has been a real life saver since my desktop monitor is on it's last legs. It doesn't cause me any pain at all and I can spend a lot of time looking at it. The computer's panel type is TN.

    What model of Toshiba Satellite?

      "ASUS V228HE TN
      BenQ GW2280 VA
      Acer V227Q bip IPS"

      These didn't work for you?

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        K-Moss Based on his first post I thought that was implied.

          JTL BenQ GW2280 VA isn't supposed to be insanely bright. Max brightness is 250 and it should turn down to quite dim at the lowest brightness levels. With ambient lightning, I can't imagine having it set at brightness levels of 0 up to 5 being too bright for comfort, particularly if contrast is adjusted down as well.

          These new monitors feel insanely bright and turning down the brightness doesn't seem to help.

          Turning down the brightness doesn't help because I doubt the brightness is the problem. I am regularly in full sun without sunglasses. Now that's bright... and the eyes are perfectly adapted to it.

          I decided to do an experiment last night comparing all the monitors I own. First comparison was between the Acer V227Q (IPS) and BenQ GW2280 (VA). The Acer had darker blacks and richer colors while the BenQ had a barely noticeable washed out look.

          I then compared the Acer to my old IPS Dell E173FPf. It turned on luckily and I was able to see that the monitor's brightness was extremely dim compared to the Acer. The Dell was at 80% and to match that brightness, the Acer had to go down to 20%. I guess because the Dell is so old, the brightness just gradually got that dim.

          I thought I might've solved the issue, so I used the Acer for an extended period at 20% brightness. Unfortunately, I still experienced dry eyes, lightheadedness and slight pain in the forehead. It's like I'm allergic to something in these monitors.

          So far, the monitor that causes the least discomfort is the Asus V228HE. It's a TN, which means the image quality and color reproduction are quite poor. (On a side note, my Toshiba laptop has better colors and picture quality than the Asus) I can tolerate the Asus the longest. There's still some discomfort, but it's more manageable.

          Not sure where to go from at this point unfortunately.

            CheesyBiscuit I don't see any commentary in this last post about the BenQ GW2280 VA. This is considered a first-rate screen for eye strain sufferers. Have you thoroughly experimented with the controls?

            Additionally, are you in RGB Full or Limited Mode? This is something else to experiment with.

              K-Moss The BenQ monitor causes roughly the same amount of discomfort as the Acer. It comes off as slightly brighter with lower gamma levels, more than likely because of it being a VA panel type.

              I've taken pictures with all my monitors with completely black screens if anyone's interested. Even did some side by sides.

              At this point I've narrowed down two possibilities:

              1) It's a photophobia issue. If this is the case, I may need to by a lux meter to find the brightness level my eyes can handle.
              2) Eye strain with text. I've noticed text on my Toshiba laptop is really crisp and easy to read. The text on all three of my desktop monitors have a different level of clarity compared to my laptop as they're slightly more blurry and not as easy on the eyes.

              It could be a combination of the two

                CheesyBiscuit Regarding #1, are you entirely sure you are also not more sensible to light in general (even sunlight) than other people?

                My problem is a general sensibility to light (this includes sunlight), that is exacerbated by fluorescent / LED lights, but only relatively recently I came up to this conclusion. If your problem is general light sensibility, all these modern screens are most likely going to give you the same discomfort, and it all bogs down to how low they allow you to set their brightness levels.

                  __528491__ I'm starting to believe I'm extra sensitive to all forms of light. There's been a few situations in the past that leads me to believe this. I was at a fair in 2014, sitting under a tent, the weather was sunny and bright. After about an hour or two, I started to feel nauseous and pressure in my forehead. It got so bad I had to borrow a friend's sunglasses to make it through the day. I always wear sunglasses outside and in the car now because of that experience.

                  There's was also a moment in 2015 when I was hired for temp work. I was working on someone else's laptop using Excel. I started to feel that same nauseating, lightheaded sensation the year before. I ended up having to turn the laptop's screen brightness down to zero and my symptoms went away.

                  I thought I was just sensitive to UV light, blue light and PWM, but now it seems I'm just sensitive to light in general. It's honestly kind of devastating, because I won't be able to enjoy new display technologies to their fullest. I can turn down the brightness, but it'll crush the image quality. I've noticed that messing with all these different monitors.

                  The fact that monitors have gotten significantly larger over the years isn't helping either. Instead of looking at a white screen that's only 15 to 17 inches large like I'm use to, I'm now looking at a small 22 inch LED sized TV. It's honestly amazing how people can sit in front of a 32 inch monitor and tolerate all that light.

                    CheesyBiscuit See this paper: https://ndnr.com/cardiopulmonary-medicine/vitamin-d-visual-disturbances-case-study/

                    First things first, you need ample sunshine exposure to get your vitamin D levels up and your thyroid functioning better. The thyroid is inhibited in many people from inadequate sun exposure as well as the fluorides that are prevalent through oral toothpastes and the industrial crap added to many public water supplies, which also ends up in many processed foods. Chlorine and bromides will also impede the thyroid.

                    First things first, get yourself a sun bed, go out in the full sun for 15 minutes with your eyes closed, no sunglasses, and go from there.

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                    Same, tried these:
                    Dell 2717D
                    Dell 2415
                    Asus VA27EHE

                    Any recommendations on a safe monitor?

                      Quad43 Have you tried a glossy Dell? And what was your issue with the VA27EHE?

                      "Dell S Series S2415H 24-Inch Screen LED-Lit Built-In-Speaker 6ms Response time 23.8” Full HD 1920x1080 screen 178° / 178° ultra-wide viewing angle HDMI VGA VESA Monitor"

                      So this glossy Dell didn't work for you? That's interesting. What was the issue?

                      Quad43 Well, the monitors you've tried are very similar. You ought to order from Amazon 3 models: a TN, a VA, and a glossy Dell. Order all three, try them out, and return them if they don't work. Amazon is amazing with full refunds for returns. Also, if you are using these monitors for motion activity, like movies or gaming, you're going to benefit from a high refresh rate, but I get the impression just looking at them immediately bothers you, so we have to rule out if it's the matte coating, or if a different panel type like TN or VA will help you.

                      Out of curiosity, I decided to buy a lux meter and test out my various displays. I used a white screen image and kept the displays to the settings I normally keep them at. I then turned out the lights, put the meter up to the screen and took multiple readings. Here's what I found:

                      Toshiba Satellite laptop - 50% brightness:
                      36 lx

                      Samsung 32" smart TV - 80% backlight, 50% brightness and 50% contrast
                      54 lx

                      Acer V227Q bip - 40% brightness and 50% contrast
                      134 lx

                      Dell E173FPf - 80% brightness
                      87 lx

                      Obviously, my laptop is the dimmest out of all. My Samsung is surprisingly dim and unsurprisingly, the Acer is the brightest. My old Dell comes in third by comparison.

                      I also bought a Sceptre E205W-16003R 19.5 inch monitor to try out. I figured a slightly smaller monitor might be easier on the eyes. The monitor was insanely bright with its default settings. I had to turn the backlight brightness down to 0%. Unfortunately, it still read 117 lux with my meter and turning down the actual brightness setting crushed the color and image quality completely. The upside to the monitor is the text clarity is fantastic and doesn't strain my eyes to read.

                      First things first, you need ample sunshine exposure to get your vitamin D levels up and your thyroid functioning better. The thyroid is inhibited in many people from inadequate sun exposure as well as the fluorides that are prevalent through oral toothpastes and the industrial crap added to many public water supplies, which also ends up in many processed foods. Chlorine and bromides will also impede the thyroid.

                      First things first, get yourself a sun bed, go out in the full sun for 15 minutes with your eyes closed, no sunglasses, and go from there.

                      I appreciate the advice. I think I'm going to have to visit an ophthalmologist and see if they have any suggestions. It would be really fantastic if Asus, BenQ, or some other monitor company, had a monitor lineup for people with photophobia. Or at the very least, have a monitor setting that reduces brightness greatly, without crushing image quality

                        Hi pal,
                        Sorry for my english
                        I am not a lenovo fan, but seems like they are the only brand to have a curious TUV certification
                        Try google lenovo "TUV eye comfort"
                        I dont have one but this look prety good for me: Lenovo T24d,

                        https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/accessories-and-monitors/monitors/office/T24d-10A16240WT0-24inch-MonitorHDMI/p/61B4MAR1US

                        Also you can check the new ones, most of they have that certification

                        Anyway, If you get a lenovo monitor, pls share with us you experience.

                        Good luck finding a monitor easy on the eyes

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