Does anyone have any experience with this display? A 1080p 32" 60hz RLCD computer monitor that looks to have been released this month. www.sunvisiondisplay.com https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHoXu0lu7RxE3oS4GveZn6w From looking at their youtube videos, the screens seem to create a better image quality than the old pixel qi screens. It's a pretty eye watering price tag though.

I haven't owned it for too long as this monitor as you said was just released. But here is how I feel about it. In terms of how my eyes react to it, my initial experience with this monitor is similar to using any other device with a RLCD screen like the Hisense Q5 tablet (or older smaller devices where squinting is needed like the GameBoy Color, GameBoy Advance or the first generation Nintendo DS with the backlight turned off), that is, it doesn't cause me any eye strain. However, this of course may differ for each person depending on what causes their eye strain, but as my eye issues stem primarily from flicker and looking into bright light directly, I'm very satisfied with the monitor in this aspect. In my subjective opinion, it looks quite close to looking at a framed picture (for example if you open a still image file with a >1080p resolution). This is however also due to the glossy finish that the monitor has, which is in my opinion one of its weak points. Not sure if this is necessary for light to pass through the TFT panel so it can bounce off the reflective polarizer installed behind it. I would like to test a matte screen protector, but buying a custom-made 32 inch one will cost a(nother) fortune though. As for comparisons to other RLCD screens available, I would rank the contrast as follows (note: I never owned, used, or saw a Pixel Qi, therefore I can't draw any comparisons on that): Hisense Q5 > SVD RLCD 32" > GameBoy Advance > Nintendo DS. If you own the Hisense Q5, you may be disappointed, as there seem to be people who really dislike its contrast. However as the screen is so large, this is mitigated in my opinion and due to this it makes the experience not the same, but still somewhat similar to the Q5. Also as someone will most likely use this with a computer running any of the major operating systems, you can also increase the gamma setting, which helps a lot just as it does on the Q5 for apps that allow to change the gamma setting. As for how white color looks on it, it's RLCD, that is, white appears as a mirror-ish gray. During usage, I don't really notice it that much (nor do I think it is that huge of a deal), but from the experiences I read on RLCD screens over the years, this aspect seems to be disliked by quite a few people. As advertised the refresh rate is 60 Hz. I can't tell you anything about the reaction time though, as I have no means to test it, but from another experience I read on Reddit, it's not 1ms. Imo this seems to be along the lines of 5ms (subjective opinion! don't take this as a fact, but it does seem like the 5ms monitors that I have used in the past). As for price, I may be biased of course, because I did spend not only an eye-watering, but rather gut-punching amount of money on it. But luckily to my surprise, the monitor is very well made, as it is pretty sturdy and heavy, as its frame is made out of metal. So basically what it boils down to is whether - you like RLCD as a technology, as in how the picture looks - you know that RLCD doesn't cause you eye strain - you are ready to stomach the price tag so this got longer than I anticipated, but I hope this answers most of the questions you might have had.

seeker_of_no_light That's quite promising. Regarding the glossy screen. Is it like a typical midrange LCD TV semi glossy? Or is it like iMac and LG oled tv full glossy. Is the front glass? I actually prefer glossy since I find antiglare film and coatings give me eyestrain.

It's glossy, but it doesn't seem as glossy as an iMac or any of the glossy LG TVs I have seen. Whereas you can see yourself in an iMac if its display is turned off, you only can make out your silhouette if you look at the SVD RLCD monitor. Here are some pictures of it turned off, so you can make your own judgment (as far as that is possible with the pictures i took): No flashlight, HDR off: no flashlight, HDR on: flashlight, HDR off: As for what the front is made of, I am pretty sure this is no glass and my guess is that this is already the TFT panel with a protective glossy layer applied to it similar to regular monitors on the market.

Sun Vision Display Reflective LCD 32" 1080p 60hz monitor

Sunspark

Pretty neat! So I guess you set up a lamp behind you in the evening with this?

In the daytime do you turn it around so the window is behind you?

seeker_of_no_light

Sunspark I use a overhead lamp pointed to the ceiling with a Waveform light bulb in it. During daytime the window is to my right side and the monitor tilted in such a way so that I don't notice any glare, but often I let the blinds down to the window very close to it in order to eliminate glare completely. In that case the light essentially comes from the back. Doing that the contrast of course gets lower, but it's still pretty usable in that state.

ryans

Cool! What does it look like when attached to a computer?

seeker_of_no_light

ryans To see the monitor in action, I've uploaded some videos on Reddit comparing it to the Hisense Q5 tablet and the Dasung Paperlike Pro-F

chahahc

seeker_of_no_light

Since it's been a few months, How is the experience holding up? The My Deep Guide youtube channel just released an introductory video on it and it seems mighty impressive, especially in sunlight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehqj0W3koP0&feature=emb_title

seeker_of_no_light

chahahc After a few months I'm still very satisfied with it, so much in fact that I'm not really using my Dasung Paperlike anymore. Only on days when the sky is very deeply overcast with gray clouds the experience has been subpar, but even on most overcast days the monitor is very usable as long as the monitor is slightly angled so that it has it easier to reflect daylight or overhead light. What also really helps is to have a keyboard shortcut handy to increase gamma (setting it to 2.0 works great in most situations), but from experience this is really only needed if you're watching movies or playing games.
I got used to white looking metalic gray and don't notice it all too often really. The brighter the environment is, for example when the sun shines, the more this issue is negligible though. If you can get direct sunlight onto the monitor, the picture looks pretty comparable to one from a regular monitor in my opinion. Finally, the internal settings for the monitor seem rather unfinished and operating them with the buttons being very hard to reach from the back is annoying, but gladly you really never need to operate them after checking them out once (or ever) or if you want to increase brightness/gamma if you have the monitor hooked up to devices which don't offer these settings themselves.

Lastly as I believe this is very decent product especially for people with light-based eye issues, I wish that the price comes down and they offer more sizes, especially ones which are more suitable for office environments, because at home I can set up conditions such that I can sit far away from a 32 inch monitor, which of course is not possible if you have to share a space with other people.

Haven't watched the video from My Deep Guide yet, but interested how other people perceive the monitor.

chahahc

seeker_of_no_light

I see. I also just realized something. The default state of normal backlit mentors when off is a black screen whereas the default state of this monitor is a white screen. When the monitor is off is the display at it's full 255,255,255 white screen?

cizeta

seeker_of_no_light nice insight.

Pretty interesting that RLCD whites appear metallic grey. Might have to do with the reflective coating on the pixels. Would be really cool to a see a macro shot of the pixel layout.

I agree more sizes would be good. SVD is, of course, off to a great start, but consumer ready laptop or phone sized screens would be a dream.

seeker_of_no_light

chahahc when the monitor is off, it is as you said "white" (or actually gray like with a Game Boy that is turned off). Actually a regular backlit monitor that is turned off is also "white" (or more correctly transparent as each pixel is set to let light through completely), but it appears black, because the LCD panel itself is grayish transparent if viewed through normal daylight, but as the LCD panel is right on top of the LED panel, it is so dark between LCD and LED panel that the monitor appears black when also the LED strip from the panel behind it is turned off. However, a VA panel does in fact look completely black if it's turned off even if you hold it against daylight, but I don't know why that is (even if it's turned on while being held against daylight makes it look black)

chahahc

seeker_of_no_light

Thank you so much for all your responses. I don't suppose if I could ask another favor of you regarding the monitor. There seems to be some discussion on reddit and the youtube comments about some apparent flickering of the monitor that is visual on the My Deep Guide Video at the outdoor testing portion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehqj0W3koP0&t=1797s. Which seems rather bizarre considering that something that might cause that, like black frame insertion or low persistence, on a monitor in this application would be counterproductive. Would you be able to confirm whether or not it's the monitor that's flickering of just an artifact of the camera?

seeker_of_no_light

chahahc I really need to research how I could reliably test if the screen has black frame insertion or not. From what I know, monitors that use BFI employ it by using PWM, that is, turning off the backlight, which this monitor obviously can't do. Of course I don't discount that the same couldn't be done by inserting an actual frame where every pixel was set to black (a type of BFI which isn't really used in the monitor industry), but inserting a black frame for a monitor that only does 60 Hz refresh rate would rather be counterproductive for a monitor solely reliant on ambient light, because that could/would yield decreased brightness.

Still I'm curious on whether this was the case. However, it could take some time to do that as I would probably need a camera that can record at 120 frames per second which I unfortunately do not own.

chahahc

seeker_of_no_light

Indeed that's why I was so perplexed at the flickering. I just couldn't think of why they would implement any of those things in this monitor. Funnily enough right after I wrote that post My Deep Guide posted his full video review of the monitor and showed with a 480fps recording that there is indeed no flickering https://youtu.be/XQms-iHX9RQ?t=418. So the first video that showed flickering indeed seems like it was just some weird camera aberration. Which begs the question, what kind of camera aberration would cause such a thing.

degen

I have the Sun Vision monitor now. I will post my impressions when I have more time with it, but let me know if you have any questions.

I am testing on known good (for me) setup with Windows 10 2015 LTSB and Intel Integrated graphics. I do use Kepler series Nvidia cards to game on occasion but they are not quite as comfortable (but not terrible like newer Nvidia cards). I expect the Sun Vision monitor will pass along any OS or graphics card level strain.

chahahc

degen

Oh that's great. How long did it take you to receive the monitor?

degen

chahahc It took about two weeks for the company to ship it, and another week for me to get it in Canada. When I ordered the company still had some stock in, and they had just established a waiting list.

degen

This monitor is fantastic. There are no flicker symptoms on a good setup.

It does pass through strain from bad OS, GPU and software as expected.

However, it eliminates a major factor in eyestrain which is spectrum and flicker. To otherwise eliminate these issues you would need to find a Quantum Dot monitor or TV with low ripple and pixel inversion, etc.

I cannot recommend it enough if you have a good setup you want to amplify.

If you are trying to make a bad setup tolerable e-ink MAY be a better option (unsure, @ensete already mentioned modern Windows causes him strain on e-ink, which is very concerning).

I still need to set up a proper lighting situation for evenings though, which I mentioned in some other posts pertaining to LED strip lighting.

Having a good setup, I only find myself turning to e-ink when it is dark. E-ink is legible with much less light (I have NOT messed with the settings on the Sun Vision yet).

karthi3219

degen is bad setup tolerable with this monitor? How long you are able to work in front of monitor comfortably with bad setup?

Sunspark

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degen

karthi3219 A bad setup is not tolerable. Things I am sensitive to like OS, video card — problems with these are on full display with this monitor. It only eliminates the backlight problem, which is the need to lower the brightness to minimum on most (non Quantum Dot) monitors. Not having to worry about that and to have a well lit screen with sunlight coming in my office, that’s good for me with my basic Intel integrated graphics on legacy Windows. This monitor eliminates a hugely problematic variable, but is not a cure-all.

denise_eca

Where can you buy this monitor?

seeker_of_no_light

You can only buy it from their website (sunvisiondisplay.com) and there's a likelihood that you get onto a waiting list, because they produce the monitor in batches.

denise_eca

seeker_of_no_light I think it must only be available in the US, right? I can't even access their website from here (Spain).