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Ive been to a neurologist and the diagnostic is general migraine disorder. She said I can be happy I know the trigger (LEDs, flashing or color related) as some people have it from chocolate, red wine, weather..., and that there is nothing anyone can do about it at the moment. Gonna get an MRI soon but she said they probably wont find anything to catch onto, so just to rule out some physical trouble in the brain.
Ive also been told that the typical inability to focus (on the screen or somewhere else) is a followup of the migraine already happening from something else (light).
Maybe we are all just migraine affected people that came here because its triggered from the same thing - LEDs and flicker.
Got a magnesium prescription as a nutrition supplement.
ensete LED monitors use LED backlights. LEDs are extremely precise in reacting to input current, they turn off even for 1/100000 seconds(not that this would be a problem). Problems arrise for sensitive people when they turn of for 1/10000 of a second or more repeatedly.
Just as not all LED light bulbs are alike so goes for LED monitors because of their backlight driver implementation. Just because it is marketed as flicker-free you don't have that guarantee. New cheaper LED drivers use integrated circuits which is not a bad thing BUT it does make the driver more sensitive to input current, so you might be lucky and live somewhere where you have good electricity and have no problems and some might not.
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I agree that migraines can also come from health issues BUT if you don't have a migraine and then you watch TV, play a game on a LED monitor or enter a room that is only lit by LED lighting(or CFL) AND you get a migraine or dizzy then it is not your gluten intolerance that is causing this. What next? Are you guys going to convince us the earth is flat? Or maybe the zodiac has something to do with the fact that you get a headache from invisible flicker?
Please lets keep this as scientific as possible. There are a LOT of scientific papers regarding light flicker and invisible light flicker which causes a series of problems for humans and animals alike.
If you would like I can provide links to some of those scientific papers. Until then you should read this article(use automatic translation from Chrome, does a pretty good job):
https://www.elektroboerse-smarthouse.de/elektroinstallation/beleuchtung/artikel/138700/
For more you can go:
https://www.derlichtpeter.de/en/
Invisible flicker that is harmfull cannot be spoted even with a DSLR with 1/4000. Here is a toy that might help you spot it:
https://www.fauser.biz/li/lifli.htm
martin Everybody is affected by invisible flicker. People like us either have better vision or we have eyes that are more sensitive to light flicker.
All eyes get micro muscle contractions from light flicker, we are lucky that we also get headaches and we realize that something is wrong. You fix the invisible light flicker you loose the headache and you keep your 20/20 vision.
Other people who don't get headaches don't care about this. They just loose their perfect 20/20 vision in a few years and think they lost it because they got older and not because of the light flicker.
AgentX20 Check this toy out: https://www.fauser.biz/li/lifli.htm
martin Genetic brain issue? You sound like you lost all hope!
Not only there is hope but there are solutions. There are LED bulbs that don't give you headaches, monitors, smartphones etc.
You just need the right tools to test these out. Subjective testing does not go a long way.
Check this toy out:
https://www.fauser.biz/li/lifli.htm
PuffyCloud Oslicopes work just as well assuming the sample rate can keep up.
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JTL I know. This toy seems to be easier to use. Maybe if we would all get one of these toys we could have a more scientific way to test our devices other than our own subjectivity. Also why wait until you get a headache when you can test with this?
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Has anyone tried amitriptyline for curing headaches? My doc might want to try it. I'd rather not, but I think several of us on here have recognized that some of our problems are likely neurological.
PuffyCloud I agree that there might be health consequences of flicker exposure over prolonged time, and that vision degeneration with aging might be caused by this. However that still does not explain why people like us also have headaches.
Yes we may be special in a way that we notice this compared to other people, but my vision is not perfect, I wear glasses, although corrected for right eye only. So we may also be people with neurological problems who get migraines from flickering light and certain wavelengths of LEDs, or both. Ideal solution is then to try to solve for your health, why also paying attention to the tech side, because there is a very large possibility that the lighting tech today is badly quality controlled.
The tool you posted is nice, but does not seem to show all that much. I started another thread here some time ago where its explained how to build your own oscope for cheaper than usual, and that might give more precise readings.
Ive contacted lightaware.org, theyre interested in me and maybe we could all do that and write them our stories, and make them and their influence grow.
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martin Its not just people like us that are more sensitive are affected. And it is nothing at fault healthwise with us.
Check this out:
https://m.phys.org/news/2017-07-scientific-dont-bulbsand-simple.html
And this:
https://www1.essex.ac.uk/psychology/overlays/2013-207.pdf
Most people can detect up to 3000Hz flicker and more sensitive can detect up to 4900Hz.
Being able to spot up to 4900Hz doesn't make you less healthy. It is the other way around. Does being able to see more colors mean that you are sick?
But being able to spot up to 4900Hz does make you susceptible to headaches at higher flicker frequencies than regular people. For other people to get the same headache that you get you should reduce the flicker frequencies proportionally. So for example if you get migraines at 100Hz regular people would get the same migraines that you get at half that.
Also you should be aware that LED go directly to 0 brightness they don't have inertia like incandescents. And LED bulbs flicker at the same time at many different frequencies. Here is an example of the frequencies at which a very good performing LED flickers:
@8 Hz: 0.000159 (-76.00 dB)
@19 Hz: 0.000070 (-83.14 dB)
@73 Hz: 0.000052 (-85.72 dB)
@100 Hz: 0.000451 (-66.92 dB) ***
@200 Hz: 0.000231 (-72.72 dB)
@300 Hz: 0.000111 (-79.13 dB)
@53001 Hz: 0.000051 (-85.91 dB)
@66529 Hz: 0.000055 (-85.12 dB)
@83056 Hz: 0.000052 (-85.75 dB)
@170730 Hz: 0.000050 (-85.94 dB)This bulb goes to 0 brightness for very short periods of time so it does not affect you. You can imagine that most of the bulbs that you can buy don't perfom as good as this one.
PuffyCloud I fixed the formatting of your above post since I am a moderator.
PuffyCloud and @number is?
JTL what @number are you referring to?
PuffyCloud @8, @19, @73, etc.