Hi! In december 2020 (a few days before Christmas) I made a clean install (win 10) and since then I had eye strain on my private computer (w10, amd gpu). The solution was to use a VGA-DVI-cable (thanks to ledstrain.org; of course I have also been to ophthalmologists but they wasn't helpful). At work I also have Windows 10 (Dell Latidude 5510, Windows 10 Education but there shouldn't be a difference) but without these problems (DVI, HDMI).

Now in December 2021 (again a few days before Christmas) I did nothing and suddenly I get eye strain also via vga. In the days before nothing was updated (no w10 update, no driver update). I just had a lot of stress the days/weeks before.

Now I am a bit at a loss what else I could try. Or what caused it (possibly the stress but relaxation has not helped so far).

    18 days later

    killabug Welcome! A lot of intro posts in this thread may go under the radar due to its general topic. You may get more feedback posting this as an individual post.

      14 days later

      i get headaches very easily when playing video games certain movement makes feel like car sickness movement throws me off balance.? adjust the lighting on the tv or not.?

      a month later

      Hello everyone!

      I'm from Bulgaria, working in corporate (40 hours of emails each week 😅) and am 33.

      I first found out that there is something wrong with newer displays when I went out and bought an Acer Predator XB271HUbmiprz gaming monitor which I found appalling upon several days of use and quickly returned. My eyes were bloodshot, had bad headaches and a vertigo-like feeling when trying to look at this monitor for more than 5 minutes.

      After a year or so (2021) influenced by the HWUnboxed review on YouTube (must admit 😓) went out and gave high refresh rate IPS panels a second chance and bought the MSI Optix MAG274QRF-QD. It was a notch better, but it sucked again. So had to return it once more.

      Long story short, I am being very cautious about my next monitor purchase. I will detail my experience with the above two in a post shortly.

      Thanks to the admin team for coming up with the idea for this amazing forum!

      Cheers!

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      2 months later

      41 year old physician. Only recently discovered this forum as I had a bout of dizziness during which I felt much worse while reading my desktop screen, an old dell u2412m 24 inch 16:10 ips display that I bought in 2015, which otherwise is very good and I never had problems with.

      This took me down the rabbit hole, after learning about how all of these monitors are affecting us and using various techniques to adjust brightness and produce color which aren't very good for the eyes, to say nothing of poor motion and blur artifacts, etc. Along with, of course, my progressive myopia which I finally stabilized in 2015, and to which I will always blame optometrists. Nobody needs minus lenses, period. Just take kids outside and make them wear reading glasses for any heavy study, and they will be fine, they will never need glasses and turn into a nerd, they will enjoy life.

      And besides I'm tired of wasting my life behind screens. Thinking of getting a laptop just to reduce overall computer use even though they are not as ergonomic. I just don't want to sit at a desk staring at these big screens my whole life.

      Human eyes are designed for natural lighting and distance. That way your extraocular muscles, pupils, ciliary muscle, and blinking all work in tandem to resolve blur at all distances, control light passage, and flush and protect the ocular surface. All of this is reduced when you are sitting down staring at a fixed screen.

      Notice how all of the superficial people, athletes, etc. never develop myopia or eye problems (until later life) while we nerds are cursed with myopia and strain. Hmmmm, wonder why that is. Can it maybe have something to do with sitting down staring at a screen your whole life?

        dolph99

        People on this forum have serious problems with screens and you write a post that people here can find a bit insulting. We live in an age where there is screens like everywhere, in our homes, offices, cars, stores, public areas and so on. I think we all know that our eyes is made/optimized for natural lighting, and its good to be out playing in the nature.

        dolph99 Notice how all of the superficial people, athletes, etc. never develop myopia or eye problems (until later life) while we nerds are cursed with myopia and strain. Hmmmm, wonder why that is. Can it maybe have something to do with sitting down staring at a screen your whole life?

        This is just stupid. I know many people (tech/economic) who uses screens all day and have no problems, and if we ask some eye doctors they can confirm that “sporty people” also have eye problems.

        dolph99 And besides I'm tired of wasting my life behind screens. Thinking of getting a laptop just to reduce overall computer use even though they are not as ergonomic. I just don't want to sit at a desk staring at these big screens my whole life.

        Maybe this is your problem, not screens.

        //Mike from Sweden

              dolph99 Thinking of getting a laptop just to reduce overall computer use even though they are not as ergonomic

              In addition with a desktop you have control over what monitor you can use, and some can be better for eyes than others.

                2 months later

                I am nobody special…Just an early 50's guy with the 'gift' to be able to see and feel the PWM of all those crazy lights. Always have. Just now they are everywhere. Too bad they try to make me crazy. Which can make my wife crazy, well not so much. Quit my job to stay sane and stay married last summer. So now I pretty much just keep the wood cut, pigs and chickens fed, and garden growing. But it does give me a little more time in the Forge. It was a great relief, (relief) may not be the right word, to find LEDStrain.org.

                So, Thank You from Kentucky.

                a month later

                I am so happy to find this site! I am a 42 year old Project Manager from northwest Pennsylvania. I am generally sensitive to many types of substances and stimuli, but my "relationship" to LED sensitivity is one of the most pronounced and has noticeably affected my life. I work on a computer screen, and I've found that for some reason due to the LED back lighting, certain older model monitors (even WITH PWM!) are tolerable for me with no problem at all, while almost all modern monitors cause significant eye strain and other symptoms within minutes of use: for instance I can use an Asus VS247H-P for Dell P2014HT all day long, but a standard monitor from even 5 years ago like a LG or LG 24MP59HT-P or any gaming monitor like Asus PG279Q causes terrible eye strain. I'm confident this is an LED issue as certain modern LED desk lamps cause the same exact symptoms, and the monitors affect me even if the backlight is on but the screen is black. I am on a quest to find a modern monitor- hopefully a gaming monitor- that is tolerable! I will search the forum and start a post about this topic in case there are any others here who have a similar experience. Thank you for this site! 🙂

                  Lauda89 Thank you for the idea! I once expected OLED would be my solution, but a OLED TV we bought was totally intolerable to me, it affected me negatively so strongly I couldn't watch it for even a few minutes and we had to return it. I suspect there are some color wavelengths being produced that I am super sensitive to. I wish I could narrow down the issue better: I'd absolutely love to be able to tolerate an OLED monitor.

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                      Gemsand Well. I do know current OLED TVs use a "WRGB" subpixel so that could be an issue as well.

                        13 days later
                        a month later

                        Location: Vancouver Canada
                        Occupation: Interior Designer & Graphic Designer
                        Age: 35

                        Currently using a 2015 iphone 6S running an older iOS (13.1.2). And an older MSI "gaming" laptop with Windows 10. My eyes love these screens and can stare at them all day long.

                        I've tried the X, XS, 11, 12, and 2023 SE phones, and all of these are a no-go. The SE is the best by far but still not good. Someone was guessing that it's the processor chip or iOS causing issues because it's still a (good) LCD screen, so in theory it shouldn't be any different than my 6S on the eyes. But sadly it is.

                        Am terrified of the potential concept of no longer being able to potentially communicate to others on my phone and to to do design work in the near future ??? purely due to LED/OLED tech that is harmful to us.

                        My optometrist tells me that I "have pupils that allow in more than the normal amount of light". So maybe yours do as well. 20/20 vision. Blue eyes.

                        I can't stand LED bulbs in shops and get sick around them. They seem violent & strong to my eyes.

                        Skimming through many of these responses, I don't see yet that anyone has created a group to approach Apple or other manufacturers to show that there are many of us who don't deserve to be left behind. We NEED products that work for us, and I refuse to be ostracized from society or unable to work (in the future) due to products not being created to include us.

                        The good thing is that if Apple creates a line for sensitive eyes. they can basically charge whatever high prices they'd like since their market (you and I) literally doesn't have a choice. We just want things that we don't get sick from.

                        I currently have the iphone SE 2022 and I'd like to trial an earlier version of iOS to see if it helps fix the situation. No clue though if Apple allows us to download older iOS versions. :/

                          12 days later

                          • Your location

                            Portugal

                          • Your occupation

                            Civil engineer

                          • Your age

                            48

                          • How you first identified you were affected

                            When i bought iPhone 12

                          • Whatever else comes to mind

                            Just shared my experiences in other posts 🙂 Just one more voice to the "movement"

                          3 months later

                          Good day to everyone. I'm Italian and live in Italy. I'm 27 and work as a student at university.

                          How you first identified you were affected:

                          I don't know if I'm affected by something, just bought a new notebook, Lenovo legion 5 for precision, after a week I started having headache, eye pain and heating… The problem is clearly the screen of the new notebook. I'm here to learn and try to find a solution to this problem. Thanks everybody for sharing with others

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