Hello. I realy have been suffered from eyestrain from 2012. Different display, laptops, monitors - all of them were terrible for me, my eyes and my blood pressuare. I used to use my old ccfl monitor to not suffer from modern screen

But a few months ago i could find a solution. I tried to use night shift in windows 10/11 but very important - i tried it on the max position

You screen should become RED not yellow. If you make blue light filter intensivity max, you screen will be red(photo is attached). And you should not see any blue color(you will see green instead of blue) like this:

It looks rediculus and strange, but it worked for me. I was absolutely happy, cause my work is about text and calls, and i do not worry about colors on my screen, after ten years suffering a was able to work on my laptop(i use hp probook 440g6)! But...

2 november 2022 I updated my Windows 11 version 21H2 to version 22H2 and my lifehack stop working. I did not want to believe, but after a few days a really understood that symptoms(hedache, eyesstrain e.t.c) came back. I rolled back to previous version(21H2) and eyesstrain has gone away...

I cant explain what the fuck is goin on. Now i gonna to figure out, how can i block any updates on windows(maybe from registry or another way) and i download old ISO windows 10 and 11 versions from torrent(cause official microsoft site offer only last version).

Also, i gonna write to microsoft support to ask, what they did in last updates with render, video or something else that can impact my eyes. I am not sure that propblem accurate with microsoft, maybe one of my laptop drivers were updated while i was updating window. But i think this is chance to figure out and specified my problem

Also i gonna try night shift in linux and maybe on mac.

P.S I know that night shift exist in third party software as flux, iris e.t.c but i did not try it.

I want you to try night shift at old version(21h2 or older) of win10 and 11 and then at the last. Maybe it would be a solution for you if our problem has something in common.

    f.Lux has a mode called "Himalayan Salt Lamp" that makes everything red. I wonder if that is comparable.

    arturpanteleev

    If I had to guess, there is some kind of dithering flicker on the newer os version.
    Maybe you are very sensitive to blue light AND some kind of dithering flicker.

      Interesting - using both Night Light on Max and f.Lux on "Himalayan Salt Lamp" makes it even more red than either.

      "Also, i gonna write to microsoft support to ask, what they did in last updates with render, video or something else that can impact my eyes."

      I don't think they can answer that, because it is the only the developers who know what they did and as Windows is closed source it falls under trade secrets. Can't hurt to try though…

      "how can i block any updates on windows"

      Other users in this forum do this with downloadable software. It comes with major security risks so think about mitigating those too.

      arturpanteleev 2 november 2022 I updated my Windows 11 version 21H2 to version 22H2 and my lifehack stop working.

      Just a suggestion - it could be that when Windows has updated it has also updated your Display Adapter driver too and that is what is causing the discomfort.

      Head to Device Manager -> Display Adapters. Right click on your adapter, and update Driver. Select Browse My Computer and then Let Me Pick From a List. Choose the oldest driver in there and install it.

      This fixed my issue on 22H2, hope it works for you too.

          si_edgey thank you, i will try it next week, cause now i should work on my laptom withe rollbacked version

            daniel_mate I haven't tried Uvex Skyper glasses but it seems that it could be helpfull, so i'l try it too, thanks

              I have been working with MS engineers over the past year. Sporadically, but ongoing

              The issue isn't WHAT windows is displaying it is HOW it is displaying it. Usually in Windows 10 and later these changes are DirectX related.

              So if a DirectDraw/DirectWrite/DirectDiplsy update comes out, you can look at the same picture, same color, same everything, and have symptom where you never had any before. Because it s drawing the same thing, in a different way.

              To date we have not been able to find out what changes trigger our symptoms. We have narrowed things down to specific Updates that can make a Good display a Bad display, but there are zillions of changes in every update.

              Have you tried patching?

                ensete Hello what does it mean "patching"? Now it is not possible to set only piecу of updates, cause they use Cumulative update.

                Now i have two version 22H1 and 22H2 (i can specify builds of this version).

                • 22H1 - is perfect for me
                • 22H2 - terrible

                I tried to find the diff, comparing C:\Windows folders but there are really a lot of changes

                I absolutely agree about your information, that says that important HOW it is displaying it

                This week i will try to experiment with different builds to specify problem build with more precision

                    I encourage the f.lux suggestion, it feels a little different and has more customizability. You can take it down to 1900K.

                    You should look in your graphics driver settings panel to see if the slider controls for R G B are exposed independently. If they are, maybe that will help, and you can just set a colour temperature you like by lowering G and B.

                    arturpanteleev I cant explain what the fuck is goin on.

                    Lol. Yes, modern electronics is a bitch and your laptop looks on fire. Perhaps run the test below and see if it's of any help. You seem to have a problem with certain colors?

                    https://therapeuticcolorindicator.com/#/

                    https://www.reinventingoptometry.com/pageus

                    ensete So if a DirectDraw/DirectWrite/DirectDiplsy update comes out, you can look at the same picture, same color, same everything, and have symptom where you never had any before. Because it s drawing the same thing, in a different way.

                    Thanks for the note. Is this your opinion/conclusion or Microsoft's?

                        ensete

                        Yep. I knew it without windows engeneers.

                        Please take into account that its not only windows related. Its windows + video driver related. If I for example use intel graphic adapter with windows 10 - I have no problems (except for usual problems of a man suffering from ever sore eyes). But If I use nvidia graphic adapter with windows 10 - oh man thats really painful! There is also one interesting thing. Using 2 adapters (intel (main) + nvidia (additional)) doesn't help at all.

                        Looks like nvidia adapter should be deinstalled and even nvidia driver should be deleted to save eyes)

                        There are no problems with nvidia cards or drivers if I use windows 7 though (apart from playing games ofc. My eyes can stand only mobile games nowadays).

                            1NGIBITOR You may know and @ensete may know but only if the big high-tech guys acknowledge that there is a problem and identify a cost-effective solution there is hope in the long run. Not updating OS & drivers is a no go in a business environment. I do not care about playing videogames. I worry about not being able to work and have a normal life.

                                As an example, in my business laptop Windows Updates are blocked by my organization. Despite that, I just found my laptop rebooting and saying something like "do not power off, we are completing the installation of…".

                                Windows Updates history shows

                                Update for Windows (KB5015684)

                                Successfully installed on ‎18/‎11/‎2022 (today)

                                Clicking on "OS build and System info" returns

                                Edition Windows 10 Pro

                                Version 22H2

                                Installed on ‎11/‎08/‎2022

                                OS build 19045.1889

                                Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.4180.0

                                The version has changed from 21H2 to 22H2 and the OS Build has changed from 19044.1889 to 19045.1889. Not sure what happened ultimately, but my eyes can sense the visual experience is different, and it hardly happens that the experience gets better upon updating. In fact I am struggling a bit now. Hopefully it is just a matter of time and my eyes get used to whatever has changed, but can you believe it? Updates were sneaked through although my organization had blocked them.

                                I am avoiding swearing.

                                  arturpanteleev changed the title to Update from Win11 21H2 to Win11 22H2 leads to eye strain .
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