si_edgey thank you, i will try it next week, cause now i should work on my laptom withe rollbacked version

    daniel_mate I haven't tried Uvex Skyper glasses but it seems that it could be helpfull, so i'l try it too, thanks

      I have been working with MS engineers over the past year. Sporadically, but ongoing

      The issue isn't WHAT windows is displaying it is HOW it is displaying it. Usually in Windows 10 and later these changes are DirectX related.

      So if a DirectDraw/DirectWrite/DirectDiplsy update comes out, you can look at the same picture, same color, same everything, and have symptom where you never had any before. Because it s drawing the same thing, in a different way.

      To date we have not been able to find out what changes trigger our symptoms. We have narrowed things down to specific Updates that can make a Good display a Bad display, but there are zillions of changes in every update.

      Have you tried patching?

        ensete Hello what does it mean "patching"? Now it is not possible to set only piecу of updates, cause they use Cumulative update.

        Now i have two version 22H1 and 22H2 (i can specify builds of this version).

        • 22H1 - is perfect for me
        • 22H2 - terrible

        I tried to find the diff, comparing C:\Windows folders but there are really a lot of changes

        I absolutely agree about your information, that says that important HOW it is displaying it

        This week i will try to experiment with different builds to specify problem build with more precision

            I encourage the f.lux suggestion, it feels a little different and has more customizability. You can take it down to 1900K.

            You should look in your graphics driver settings panel to see if the slider controls for R G B are exposed independently. If they are, maybe that will help, and you can just set a colour temperature you like by lowering G and B.

            arturpanteleev I cant explain what the fuck is goin on.

            Lol. Yes, modern electronics is a bitch and your laptop looks on fire. Perhaps run the test below and see if it's of any help. You seem to have a problem with certain colors?

            https://therapeuticcolorindicator.com/#/

            https://www.reinventingoptometry.com/pageus

            ensete So if a DirectDraw/DirectWrite/DirectDiplsy update comes out, you can look at the same picture, same color, same everything, and have symptom where you never had any before. Because it s drawing the same thing, in a different way.

            Thanks for the note. Is this your opinion/conclusion or Microsoft's?

                ensete

                Yep. I knew it without windows engeneers.

                Please take into account that its not only windows related. Its windows + video driver related. If I for example use intel graphic adapter with windows 10 - I have no problems (except for usual problems of a man suffering from ever sore eyes). But If I use nvidia graphic adapter with windows 10 - oh man thats really painful! There is also one interesting thing. Using 2 adapters (intel (main) + nvidia (additional)) doesn't help at all.

                Looks like nvidia adapter should be deinstalled and even nvidia driver should be deleted to save eyes)

                There are no problems with nvidia cards or drivers if I use windows 7 though (apart from playing games ofc. My eyes can stand only mobile games nowadays).

                    1NGIBITOR You may know and @ensete may know but only if the big high-tech guys acknowledge that there is a problem and identify a cost-effective solution there is hope in the long run. Not updating OS & drivers is a no go in a business environment. I do not care about playing videogames. I worry about not being able to work and have a normal life.

                        As an example, in my business laptop Windows Updates are blocked by my organization. Despite that, I just found my laptop rebooting and saying something like "do not power off, we are completing the installation of…".

                        Windows Updates history shows

                        Update for Windows (KB5015684)

                        Successfully installed on ‎18/‎11/‎2022 (today)

                        Clicking on "OS build and System info" returns

                        Edition Windows 10 Pro

                        Version 22H2

                        Installed on ‎11/‎08/‎2022

                        OS build 19045.1889

                        Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.4180.0

                        The version has changed from 21H2 to 22H2 and the OS Build has changed from 19044.1889 to 19045.1889. Not sure what happened ultimately, but my eyes can sense the visual experience is different, and it hardly happens that the experience gets better upon updating. In fact I am struggling a bit now. Hopefully it is just a matter of time and my eyes get used to whatever has changed, but can you believe it? Updates were sneaked through although my organization had blocked them.

                        I am avoiding swearing.

                          arturpanteleev changed the title to Update from Win11 21H2 to Win11 22H2 leads to eye strain .

                          AGI Yes, i heard about it, but seems it doesn't work for me. Maybe i should try to practise more? I will read about it again, and try second time

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                              AGI Sad story, i cannot work in enterprise too. Now i am working at the job that allows me to use my own PC. It is very sad and disgusting, but it better than nothing.

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                                Gurm It is very interesting, what have they done? I think we should ask on microsoft support website. Cause while it is not a long time after release, and they collect all problems and claims

                                By the way: i feel similar feelings when i used intel graphics in processors newer that 8 generation. I mean: I feel good on 8th intel generation with 21H2 but on 10th or 11th intelgeneration i feel straining even if i use comfort OS(win 7, 8, 10. 1121h2 etc). I think that it is kind of algorythm that could be in os or in hardware. If we can detect what is the difference between 21H2 and 22H2, maybe it would be a key to understanding.

                                And how does your deals with Linux and macOs? And tell me, how is your experience with Android| iOs?

                                  Gurm then it's not me imagining things. Same thing here. Updates were deactivated but this one still sneaked through. Seriously fxck them!

                                  How do you roll back? From Windows Updates App? Is it a straightforward process, no side effects? Thanks

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                                      arturpanteleev Dunno. It didn't seem to make a difference for me, but maybe I haven't tried long enough?

                                      I have been doing other exercises and found some benefit. However, W10 version 22H2 killed my eyes instantaneously. It took me two days to recover from 30 min use. Very frustrating.

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