arturpanteleev I cant explain what the fuck is goin on.

Lol. Yes, modern electronics is a bitch and your laptop looks on fire. Perhaps run the test below and see if it's of any help. You seem to have a problem with certain colors?

https://therapeuticcolorindicator.com/#/

https://www.reinventingoptometry.com/pageus

ensete So if a DirectDraw/DirectWrite/DirectDiplsy update comes out, you can look at the same picture, same color, same everything, and have symptom where you never had any before. Because it s drawing the same thing, in a different way.

Thanks for the note. Is this your opinion/conclusion or Microsoft's?

      ensete

      Yep. I knew it without windows engeneers.

      Please take into account that its not only windows related. Its windows + video driver related. If I for example use intel graphic adapter with windows 10 - I have no problems (except for usual problems of a man suffering from ever sore eyes). But If I use nvidia graphic adapter with windows 10 - oh man thats really painful! There is also one interesting thing. Using 2 adapters (intel (main) + nvidia (additional)) doesn't help at all.

      Looks like nvidia adapter should be deinstalled and even nvidia driver should be deleted to save eyes)

      There are no problems with nvidia cards or drivers if I use windows 7 though (apart from playing games ofc. My eyes can stand only mobile games nowadays).

          1NGIBITOR You may know and @ensete may know but only if the big high-tech guys acknowledge that there is a problem and identify a cost-effective solution there is hope in the long run. Not updating OS & drivers is a no go in a business environment. I do not care about playing videogames. I worry about not being able to work and have a normal life.

              As an example, in my business laptop Windows Updates are blocked by my organization. Despite that, I just found my laptop rebooting and saying something like "do not power off, we are completing the installation of…".

              Windows Updates history shows

              Update for Windows (KB5015684)

              Successfully installed on ‎18/‎11/‎2022 (today)

              Clicking on "OS build and System info" returns

              Edition Windows 10 Pro

              Version 22H2

              Installed on ‎11/‎08/‎2022

              OS build 19045.1889

              Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.4180.0

              The version has changed from 21H2 to 22H2 and the OS Build has changed from 19044.1889 to 19045.1889. Not sure what happened ultimately, but my eyes can sense the visual experience is different, and it hardly happens that the experience gets better upon updating. In fact I am struggling a bit now. Hopefully it is just a matter of time and my eyes get used to whatever has changed, but can you believe it? Updates were sneaked through although my organization had blocked them.

              I am avoiding swearing.

                arturpanteleev changed the title to Update from Win11 21H2 to Win11 22H2 leads to eye strain .

                AGI Yes, i heard about it, but seems it doesn't work for me. Maybe i should try to practise more? I will read about it again, and try second time

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                    AGI Sad story, i cannot work in enterprise too. Now i am working at the job that allows me to use my own PC. It is very sad and disgusting, but it better than nothing.

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                      Gurm It is very interesting, what have they done? I think we should ask on microsoft support website. Cause while it is not a long time after release, and they collect all problems and claims

                      By the way: i feel similar feelings when i used intel graphics in processors newer that 8 generation. I mean: I feel good on 8th intel generation with 21H2 but on 10th or 11th intelgeneration i feel straining even if i use comfort OS(win 7, 8, 10. 1121h2 etc). I think that it is kind of algorythm that could be in os or in hardware. If we can detect what is the difference between 21H2 and 22H2, maybe it would be a key to understanding.

                      And how does your deals with Linux and macOs? And tell me, how is your experience with Android| iOs?

                        Gurm then it's not me imagining things. Same thing here. Updates were deactivated but this one still sneaked through. Seriously fxck them!

                        How do you roll back? From Windows Updates App? Is it a straightforward process, no side effects? Thanks

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                            arturpanteleev Dunno. It didn't seem to make a difference for me, but maybe I haven't tried long enough?

                            I have been doing other exercises and found some benefit. However, W10 version 22H2 killed my eyes instantaneously. It took me two days to recover from 30 min use. Very frustrating.

                              AGI if you have personal Windows 10, i.e. not controlled by IT, it's easy - go to setup and recovery and there's an option right in there. If you have corporate Windows 10 you have to go to the old control panel, add/remove programs, select it and uninstall. It rebooted and was back to the way it used to be for me.

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                                For OS changes that you know are coming and not a surprise, I think a drive backup beforehand is best. Macrium Reflect for Windows, or Clonezilla (from USB)--I have used both and both have free editions. This way, if something goes awry, you can restore without wondering too hard if the uninstall/rollback actually did restore everything exactly as it was. Of course, be mindful of what system you have, because some systems/platforms have started to deliver firmware updates through Windows Update which is a wildcard. I can't be bothered to update anymore. I took a look at 11 on my system a few months ago, it wasn't better than 10 so I took it off. 10, I have frozen for a long time now. I recognize at work you can't really do much about it on issued hardware. Sucks I know.

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                                Thanks, Guys.

                                Before reading your replies, I uninstalled Windows 10 version 22H2 via Windows Update. Upon clicking on "Uninstall updates" (see red circle in the first image below), I was led to the Control Panel. I uninstalled, rebooted, and added a pause to the updates till Dec 26 on top of the settings managed by my organization (see second screenshot below).

                                I walked away and when I returned an hour later I found my laptop with all the apps closed. I checked and the version was again 22H2. An update was run on Nov 18 and one today (see arrows in the first image below). I uninstalled the update again and confirmed I am now on 21H2. What else can I do to block updates? This is a joke…

                                  You might be limited in what you can do, because it's a managed device.

                                  If you have a sufficiently high access you could use the group policy editor to turn it off, there is also an application that can do the same thing. But, exercise caution of course because if it's not your own device, you might attract attention from your I.T. staff (they can receive logs saying which device has what updates) and that could be a problem depending on where you are.

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                                    arturpanteleev Hello what does it mean "patching"?

                                    Wearing an eyepatch over one eye

                                    arturpanteleev Now i have two version 22H1 and 22H2 (i can specify builds of this version).

                                    22H1 - is perfect for me
                                    22H2 - terrible

                                    There are numerous updates in every patch, and I've been working with MS Engineers to try and see what was changed in individual patches but it's not a process they seem really able to do.

                                    1NGIBITOR There are no problems with nvidia cards or drivers if I use windows 7 though

                                    Windows 7 has an entirely different display sub system than 10. It's not surprising 7 is fine and 10 is bad

                                    AGI You may know and @ensete may know but only if the big high-tech guys acknowledge that there is a problem and identify a cost-effective solution there is hope in the long run.

                                    They will not. We are not a large enough customer group for them to care. They will eventually say "Sorry we can't help yo please try another product"

                                    AGI Updates were sneaked through although my organization had blocked them.

                                    It is not easy to completely block updates form MS. Even a the org level. Your company MSA between them and MS likely requires them to maintain a certain level of patch compliance

                                    How do you roll back?

                                    I recommend reverting to Windows 7. Windows 10 is built and designed to be constantly updating and oevr time MS will likely prevent any of the myriad work arounds stopping uopdates from working.

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