Hello. I realy have been suffered from eyestrain from 2012. Different display, laptops, monitors - all of them were terrible for me, my eyes and my blood pressuare. I used to use my old ccfl monitor to not suffer from modern screen But a few months ago i could find a solution. I tried to use night shift in windows 10/11 but very important - i tried it on the max position You screen should become RED not yellow. If you make blue light filter intensivity max, you screen will be red(photo is attached). And you should not see any blue color(you will see green instead of blue) like this: It looks rediculus and strange, but it worked for me. I was absolutely happy, cause my work is about text and calls, and i do not worry about colors on my screen, after ten years suffering a was able to work on my laptop(i use hp probook 440g6)! But... 2 november 2022 I updated my Windows 11 version 21H2 to version 22H2 and my lifehack stop working. I did not want to believe, but after a few days a really understood that symptoms(hedache, eyesstrain e.t.c) came back. I rolled back to previous version(21H2) and eyesstrain has gone away... I cant explain what the fuck is goin on. Now i gonna to figure out, how can i block any updates on windows(maybe from registry or another way) and i download old ISO windows 10 and 11 versions from torrent(cause official microsoft site offer only last version). Also, i gonna write to microsoft support to ask, what they did in last updates with render, video or something else that can impact my eyes. I am not sure that propblem accurate with microsoft, maybe one of my laptop drivers were updated while i was updating window. But i think this is chance to figure out and specified my problem Also i gonna try night shift in linux and maybe on mac. P.S I know that night shift exist in third party software as flux, iris e.t.c but i did not try it. I want you to try night shift at old version(21h2 or older) of win10 and 11 and then at the last. Maybe it would be a solution for you if our problem has something in common.

"…Windows 11 version 21H2 to version 21H2" You might want to edit that.

f.Lux has a mode called "Himalayan Salt Lamp" that makes everything red. I wonder if that is comparable.

If I had to guess, the one version of the os turned off dithering on

arturpanteleev If I had to guess, there is some kind of dithering flicker on the newer os version. Maybe you are very sensitive to blue light AND some kind of dithering flicker.

Interesting - using both Night Light on Max and f.Lux on "Himalayan Salt Lamp" makes it even more red than either.

"Also, i gonna write to microsoft support to ask, what they did in last updates with render, video or something else that can impact my eyes." I don't think they can answer that, because it is the only the developers who know what they did and as Windows is closed source it falls under trade secrets. Can't hurt to try though…

"how can i block any updates on windows" Other users in this forum do this with downloadable software. It comes with major security risks so think about mitigating those too.

arturpanteleev 2 november 2022 I updated my Windows 11 version 21H2 to version 22H2 and my lifehack stop working. Just a suggestion - it could be that when Windows has updated it has also updated your Display Adapter driver too and that is what is causing the discomfort. Head to Device Manager -> Display Adapters. Right click on your adapter, and update Driver. Select Browse My Computer and then Let Me Pick From a List. Choose the oldest driver in there and install it. This fixed my issue on 22H2, hope it works for you too.

arturpanteleev you screen will be red(photo is attached) Have you tried Uvex Skyper glasses? That is exactly how screens look with them https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000USRG90/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

si_edgey thank you, i will try it next week, cause now i should work on my laptom withe rollbacked version

Update from Win11 21H2 to Win11 22H2 leads to eye strain

JTL

Elever This is impossible to answer without a proper controlled setting study but we spend so much time on here blaming Intel or Graphics settings or whatever and what if it's just the monitor itself?

I greatly appreciate empirical research from even a scientific perspective. I'm sure you can agree with me that the "shotgun" approach of trying various things in isolation with the hope that they work gives delayed progress in the best case with a lot of wasted time and money in the worst case when we're trying to live and work as normal people do. Even this is a nonstarter for trying to engage with companies, however as I've discussed on this forum the expense to undertake such empirical research and cover all potential bases (i.e blue light, PWM or other backlight oscillations, color spectrum, LCD inversion, temporal dithering) is a nontrivial sum and we can't exactly expect companies to undertake such research with a high priority.

To respond your second point

what if it's just the monitor itself? In other words, do people get the same strain when using a streaming stick or a console including an older one like a PS3 vs a newer one vs a Windows laptop

Can't comment on that exact scenario, but here's an example of a certain GPU having aggressive color dithering on a static image visualized by my software. So certainly the source the device can have an impact on the quality of the signal that's largely independent from the monitor.

degen

ryans If you have Windows 11 Pro, you can use Group Policy Editor to set target Feature release for Windows Update to 21H2.

Link: Specify Target Feature Update Version in Windows 11

This way you will continue to get updates for Windows 11 21H2 until its end of life, but it will not update to 22H2.

I also use this method on Windows 10 to prevent feature updates and update to Windows 11.

Staycalmsyndrome

@"ryans"#p26563 Pause feature+quality updates until 2050 (Drivers/MS Store/Defender Updates will work as normal):

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UX\Settings]
"PauseFeatureUpdatesStartTime"="2019-01-01T12:00:00Z"
"PauseQualityUpdatesStartTime"="2019-01-01T12:00:00Z"
"PendingRebootStartTime"="2019-01-01T12:00:00Z"
"PauseUpdatesExpiryTime"="2050-01-01T12:00:00Z"
"PauseFeatureUpdatesEndTime"="2050-01-01T12:00:00Z"
"PauseQualityUpdatesEndTime"="2050-01-01T12:00:00Z"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UpdatePolicy\Settings]
"PausedQualityStatus"=dword:00000001
"PausedFeatureStatus"=dword:00000001

Pause only feature updates(ex: 22H2) until 2050 (Drivers/MS Store/Defender/Quality Updates will work as normal):

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UX\Settings]
"PauseFeatureUpdatesStartTime"="2019-01-01T12:00:00Z"
"PendingRebootStartTime"="2019-01-01T12:00:00Z"
"PauseUpdatesExpiryTime"="2050-01-01T12:00:00Z"
"PauseFeatureUpdatesEndTime"="2050-01-01T12:00:00Z"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UpdatePolicy\Settings]
"PausedFeatureStatus"=dword:00000001

Resume updates again:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UX\Settings]
"PauseFeatureUpdatesStartTime"=-
"PauseQualityUpdatesStartTime"=-
"PendingRebootStartTime"=-
"PauseUpdatesExpiryTime"=-
"PauseFeatureUpdatesEndTime"=-
"PauseQualityUpdatesEndTime"=-
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UpdatePolicy\Settings]
"PausedQualityStatus"=-
"PausedFeatureStatus"=-

Save text as .reg file and run it.

NOTE: On Windows 11 you first need to go to Windows Updates section, click Pause, and then apply the registry tweak.

tfouto

Staycalmsyndrome Where security/patches updates fall in?

Quality updates?

Moe3224

Staycalmsyndrome
is this still working?

I have tried it on my thinkpad and now it says update is paused until 2050. If the updates are paused, how can the Drivers/MS Store/Defender be updated?

CorvusCorax

For me the last Windows 10 update also introduced some changes for display. I was playing Desperados III without issues and after the Windows updated I can't watch at this game anymore. Same graphical settings etc. No idea what's happend.

ryans

CorvusCorax Is it Windows 22H2?

Staycalmsyndrome

tfouto Yes. Quality updates in windows 10/11 are the traditional system updates from windows 7/8.1. More details here.

daniel_mate

I'm not a Win user, but in theory you can block updates by blocking the DNS name for the Win update url.
(Open wireshark, press check updates, then sniff for the URL. Blackhole it with 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts (this path is for linux tho))

CRoebuck

I've been trying a few Windows laptops after failing miserably with Mac OS since 2018. Same issues most people describe, difficulty focussing on text, off-centre movement detected, dry eyes , strain and headaches.

I took delivery of a HP Spectre 14 last week running W11 21H2 and installed ditherig and all was good, even had banding on the default wallpaper which is nice to see ;-) . The Spectre also uses DC dimming and felt pretty good, way more tolerable than recent Macs. I then restarted and unwittingly picked up 22H2 and boom, eye strain within 10 minutes and the usual symptoms as above. First I down-revved the video driver from 30.1 to 27.x with no effect. Rolling back fixes this for now. Had similar things with the Mac. My trusty 2017 Kaby lake MacBook is nowhere near as pleasant to use on recent versions of the OS. Would love to know what's going on.

Also as a footnote. The spectre demonstrated pretty well to me that different browsers render differently with Edge being way nicer than Firefox (and slightly better than Chrome) when it came to reading the BBC news using all 3 for comparison.

And the struggle continues

AGI

CRoebuck I then restarted and unwittingly picked up 22H2 and boom, eye strain within 10 minutes and the usual symptoms

Same thing here. Last Friday a reboot of my business laptop was forced for the recurring monthly installation of security patches. At restart I immediately developed eyestrain and neck pain. Today I checked and verified that, once again, an upgrade to Windows 22H2 passed through, most likely together with the security patches. The third attempt of Microsoft to sneakily upgrade my Windows after I have deactivated automatic upgrades.

I just reversed the install of the package but it will take a while before I can judge if my laptop is usable again. My eyes, neck and upper back are screwed and will be so for many hours, potentially a couple of days. I hope nothing else was upgraded (graphics drivers etc).

magi44ken

CRoebuck

Is this HP Spectre x360 2-in-1 14t-ef200 2023 release with the OLED screen that you have?

AGI

My laptop rebooted again and reinstalled version 22H2. Really annoying but at least this time - for reasons I do not know as it is the same update as last week! - Windows Update Settings showed that my device was up to date, so I could pause updates until April. I uninstalled version 22H2 probably for the fifth time. Since then in the morning when I open the lid I find the screen in BIOS mode and I am asked if I want to continue to boot. No idea why. The keyboard is also illuminated and the fan is often on, which was not happening before (any suggestion?). Once the laptop has rebooted, the version is 21H2.

Answering here @ryans 's question from another thread, my laptop's display adapters are Intel UHD Graphics and NVIDIA Quadro P520. The PC on W10 22H2 (OS Build 19045.2486) I can use without excessive "eye damage" mounts Intel UHD Graphics 630 and NVIDIA GeForce GT 730. I shall say that I use this PC to run a piece of equipment, so I do not do any prolonged reading and I do no browsing at all. It also took me a while to adjust. There is another PC that bugs me but I can now handle without long-term damage. I thought it was on 22H2 but it is on 1909 and the display adapters are Intel UHD Graphics 630 and NVIDIA GeForce GT710.

AGI

I claimed win too early.

Is this going to happen every second day now? In theory, updates were blocked until Apr 5 but my laptop shut down and installed version 22H2 anyhow.

Does anyone know how to stop this?

Also, looking at the list of the restore points, why is the description of the "event" different from time to time, although the "event" was always the install of the KB5015684 package? Any input is appreciated, thanks!

Staycalmsyndrome

AGI If you can't block windows updates on the machine, i would suggest blacklisting windows update URLs within your router firewall. An updated list can be found here.

AGI

Staycalmsyndrome I have administrator rights on my business laptop but bypassing my IT Admin without his approval may lead to unpleasant scenarios. I am afraid this is not a solution for me but thanks for letting me know. It could apply if I decided to buy a private PC or laptop!

Jack

AGI Try using this bat script to disable the updates, this is what i use and ive never had a problem with updates coming back. https://wtools.io/paste-code/bKom

AGI

This is not pertinent to version 22H2, so I will keep it short. In the last 7-10 days I have used for many hours per day a PC with Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC, Version 1809, OS Build 17763.2366. The display adapter is Intel UHD Graphics 630 and the monitor is an Asus VA24EHE. This setup is so bad that I not only have eye strain and the feeling my eyes and face are swollen, I even feel disoriented when I stand and walk away from the station. Sort of dizziness/vertigo and additional flashes in my eyes. I should note that I have pushed myself to work in quite dim conditions as there has been little sunlight coming thru these days and I have opted for keeping off the super-bright and flickering LED overhead lighting. Symptoms are different to the ones caused by 22H2 but I would not be able to tell what is worse.

Patoli

I was using Win11 21H2 as good as always with my Dell P2317H from 2016. I bought a S2721DGF, returned, after a S2421HN and returned again and after a P2423D and returned again. Three very different monitors from 2020 to 2022 and all of them caused eye strain, fatigue, difficult to focus and all the stuffs that everything here knows well. This is the topic https://ledstrain.org/d/2134-i-dont-know-what-to-do-and-feeling-that-im-running-out-of-options

So, I bought a LG 29UM69G from 2017 and it worked very well like my P2317H. Yesterday I update the Windows to 22H2 and boom my eyes got tired quickly with some eye pain. I've tried to update my RX 6600 videocard, adjust ClearType but it still weird. It's not pleasant and easy to focus just staring at the screen like was with the monitors that I returned.

That is bizarre. I thought it was red phosphor from NanoIPS, after flickering, after antiglare screen and other stuffs and was a relief find a monitor that I could use and after a Windows update, not changing graphic card, driver, monitor and nothing more this bizarre thing happens.

ryans

Patoli H. Yesterday I update the Windows to 22H2 and boom my eyes got tired quickly with some eye pain. I

Did you try Windows 10 22H2? Or just Windows 11?

Patoli

ryans Only 11. 21H2 was fine until change monitors. With the last monitor that was fine I tried to update to 22H2 and everything that was good became bad. I tried to change AMD driver update (Microsoft recommendation) and no changes. I rolled back and everything came back to normal. Bizarre.

After that I changed the RX 6600 for a RTX 3070 and no problem. The change of Windows version caused more trouble than changing graphic card (hardware) and driver (software) and that's crazy. They did something really bad that is hard to explain.

I had problem with current monitors with 21H2 but old monitor with 22H2 was unexpected. Trying to find reasons about monitors causing strain is more pausable than trying to understand what they did in the system that also causas strain, even with a perfect fine monitor for our eyes.

Sunspark

I was testing Win11 today on the Steam Deck. 21H2 not 22H2 since you all hated the current release so much.

It was so-so. Useable, but not better or the same as my current Intel setup with 10. Maybe sub-optimal drivers (very possible), or sub-optimal video-out on the dock for it (also possible).

The user interface however is awful, if there is a choice and it not imposed on you, I don't know why anyone would want to use 11 over 10.

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