Usable Smartphones?

Clokwork

If I have to leave Apple, I am a bit curious about the ROG phone.

engine_er

@Rataplan: The Motorola G200 has pwm (review at notebookcheck.net), although at high frequency. However, the display bothered me personally - I had a headache. So far, I use Realme 7 5G, which does not have PWM and the display is pleasing to the eye.

I would also like to ask if anyone has experience with the Poco X3 GT? Does its display have pwm?

Maxx

After a few hours of use, Motorola G200 seems to bother my eyes. Eyes are red and watery, just like with PWM.

I'll report back after I have confirmed.

But be careful. It seems that the colors are somewhat better than with my G100, so it could be temporal dithering, or then it could be the 89Khz PWM. The PWM though is not detectable with my DSLR.

When I have confirmed the eye strain, I will contact Motorola and hope they will be able to answer what chages they made since g100. G5 amd G100 didn't cause any strain what so ever.

This is starting to be really maddening that manufacturer after manufacturer spoils a range pf devices that has previously been problem free. Same happened already with Sony Xperia and MS Surface Pro.

Maxx

So I can confirm. My eyes are totally fried. It's usually after the night, when I finally can confirm that a device is bad. After using G200 for. fee hours, my eyes started to feel very irritated and it helped when I didn't look at the phone. My eyes started getting watery and red. Now in the morning my eyes are dry and red. Feels like I have sand between my eye and the eyelid.

I'm taking the g200 back and purchasing another g100 just to be sure I have some phone I can use, if the other g100 breaks and they don't sell g100 anymore.

May I ask that you all contact motorola and tell that g200 is causing severe eye strain, while g100 does not.

It would be very helpful to get manufacturers to understand this problem.

Soon there will be zero devices that are usable.

engine_er

Maxx

I don't know what country you are from, but in the EU Motoerola sells a G100 with a display that uses PWM (see comments below - the link is below). It is also my personal experience and it is a great pity.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Motorola-Moto-G100-smartphone-review-Fast-5G-mobile-phone-as-PC-replacement.537276.0.html#toc-15

Maxx

engine_er Yes but BELOW 65% brightness. I've had it now since it became available and I have zero eye strain with it, as long I dont use auto brightness and keep it over 65%

Clokwork

This is an interesting phone that seems to go by many names.

cizeta

Clokwork advertising ultra high Hz PWM? That's a new one. Refreshing after all the bullshit other manufacturers such as Apple adding in more blue light settings after people started having eye fatigue from OLED after switching from strictly LCD phones- instead of admitting the low <230Hz PWM of the new OLED iPhones was largely at fault and blue light emission was hardly worse than their old LCD phones.

Obviously, the industry is full of slimeballs, so the little rarities of honesty are nice.

logixoul

olgomar Hi,

I know you tested LG G5 for PWM and found none (above 37% brightness). I'd like to ask if the LG G5 gave you any eyestrain?

olgomar

logixoul

I did not get any eyestrain from the LG G5, I used it for about 18 months.

cizeta

I have given up on smartphones for a variety of reasons besides eye fatigue, which I won't ramble about here.

As far as I'm aware, all e-ink smartphones, such as models from Hisense, don't work in the United States. I'd greatly appreciate anyone proving me otherwise, though.

I'm crossing my fingers there will someday exist RLCD phones, but I'm certainly not waiting until Hell freezes over for one.

I'll probably just use a Mudita Pure until 4G phases out, at which point I'll certainly have much more to worry about than silly phones anyway

reaganry

cizeta A5 proCC mostly worked in the US … until this morning. A7 should work so i may switch to that.

Peter

Sunspark I am curious about the S7FE tablet. Did you have another look at it? I am currently located in Greece and no store has it to have a look at it. I only find it online for purchase. I want to buy a tablet with a large screen to review financial information on the fly and this seems promising.

Icook

I am curious about the iPhone SE 2022. It has a pwm free screen so shouldn´t be a problem for most of us.

Although i had issues with my iphone 8 after updating from about ios 14.7. Now that the SE 2022 uses another soc i am curious if something might be fixed for people like me getting headache from LCD iphones after 14.7

Anyone try this yet

francerex

Icook Gonna pick up one in a couple of days and report here the results. I currently have an iphone 8 as i cannot tolerate iphone 11 nor the se 2020. I have the latter from my job and that's manageble since i don't look at it for long time. As a primary device however, had debilitating headaches.

francerex

s_u_ Icook

Iphone SE 2022 seems to be exactly like the iphone SE 2020. Got the same symptoms after a few hours of use. I already started the return and went back to the Iphone 8. I could have tried a bit longer to see if I could adjust to it I suppose, but did not really to go through the ordeal. In total I tried it for less than a day.

The phone itself is snappy fast, great battery, great pictures, but fundamentally it did not really feel like a price worthy upgrade over the 8. I prefer to spend the money somewhere else and avoid the headaches.

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Icook I made the jump from 8 to SE but think that they are still different. I feel more comfortable with ip 8, but SE is still usable for me. You should try the SE thoroughly before buying.

s_u_

francerex Please update us!

SAH

I saw many people here reporting that some Realme phones are usable, especially Realme 7 5G, 8 5G and x50, and some xiaomi phones like note 10 5G and M3 pro 5G. Any updates on it ? My beloved xperia x compact is almost dead now 😅

si_edgey

Hi folks,

I just wanted to update with an iPhone 13 success story! As I detailed in another thread, I purchased an iPhone 13 Pro and initially thought it was great. I used it continuously for a few days, and suddenly I had the same old spiralling migraines and nausea. Left eye pain, neck pain and all the trimmings. This got returned.

A couple of months later, and I decided to pick up an iPhone 13 (not Pro). This time:

I immediately put this matte screen protector on it
I started very gently - 10 mins at a time for a few days
I gradually built up my time on the phone over a week

I'm now 10 weeks in with this phone and I'm using it continuously without any issues at all. I can't believe it, I actually have less issues than with my iPhone 8 which I have tried to replace with both the SE and the 13 Pro previously.

As a side note I still can't play games on it - even 15 minutes seems to start giving me issues.

Could the tempered glass matt screen protector be making a difference? Or the lack of Pro Motion maybe - this phone is running at 60hz rather than 120hz? Seems strange, but this is the first OLED product I've ever been able to use.

AGI

si_edgey As a side note I still can't play games on it - even 15 minutes seems to start giving me issues.

Do you have an explanation? Any discomfort watching videos? Does something kick in for gaming?

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