AGI You can get a nano to mini or standard adapter. I have one. It's just a plastic frame.

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    degen I remember us having similiar issues, brightness related and cramping eye muscles. Maybe you want to give the OnePlus 3 a try, with Paranoid Android 7.3.1 ROM. I use the phone for two years now every day, multiple hours. It's much better for me than the BenQ EW monitors. No such thing as writing emails in a hurry. I have to use it at ~25% brightness to avoid PWM, but surprisingly with this screen the brightness although high is not much of an issue. The screen gets darker and more yellow over time due to the AMOLED burn-out effect. Maybe the typical used device by now is in such a yellow state, too -> less blue light.

    Must-do for me:
    - Paranoid Android 7.3.1
    - Chrome as browser
    - Brightness out of PWM range (65/255)
    - no brightness and color-changing f.lux-like overlay apps, they make the screen unbearable

      degen I suspect a software update has caused this as I was using a 6S for over a year for several hours a day with minimal discomfort (iOS 10.3.2) and since accidentally upgrading to iOS 11 and above it now causes discomfort in about 20mins. I suspect some sort of dithering is being employed now or some update to the display settings. No way to downgrade either so definitely on the lookout for pwm free android phone with a decent ROM to use. May try the one plus as suggested above.

      Slightly OT... I use Google Voice and get all my texts forwarded to my computer. you can do the same for voice as well..

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        reaganry I have a friend who does similar with voip.ms and a Canadian number.

        This obviously doesn't help if you want an actual "smart phone" to use when out and about.

          Does anyone know if the Honor 8x utilizes temporal dithering? It supposedly is pwm free.

          JTL yeah. working on switching to a dumbphone now. hope to find some sort of prepaid plan that works on iphone for gps/google emergencies

          KM

          Is Paranoid Android a want becaue you prefer the ROM, or a need because it reduces eyestrain somehow? If its the latter do you know what/why its better? About color temp stuff can you use the built in Android one? I have Lineage 14.1 on a Moto G4 Play but I don't use it regularly...when testing with it I don't get immediate strain with or without the color temp setting on.

          • KM replied to this.

            hpst I tried many ROMs including LineageOS (most popular one). Paranoid Android 7.3.1 is the only one that is still usable for me apart from early OxygenOS releases (manufacturer's own ROM). It is not a personal choice. OnePlus some day, on the transition from Android 7.0 to Android 7.1. changed something, and other ROMs seem to have copied it. Except the Paranoid guys. They are currently developing an Android 9 ROM, and I hope it will still be fine.
            Burning eyes within some minutes on other ROMs. As opposed to multiple hours a day, every day, eyes still good. The PWM has not changed at all. I suspect it is color profile related, because the Paranoid ROM doesn't offer those profiles. But it could be anything. And it is not clear to me if this ROM would help on other devices.

            hpst About color temp stuff can you use the built in Android one?

            No, I can't use this not even on the Paranoid ROM. Burning eyes over time. It is called Night Light. There is also sRGB mode but that mode wasn't even usable on the known-good original ROMs. That, and brightness apps which change colors are also not usable. Which tells me this problem must be color related.

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              KM The only time I have seen color profiles talked about in regard to strain was one or two instances of a good profile HELPING but never why. At the same time I have seen others say messing with gamma caused strain and since all profiles will adust gamma I just don't know what to take from that. I tried hardware calibration on dsktop linux using an expensive device and no profile I could create changed my strain...only aesthetic appearance.

              My primary need is desktop linux so I would love to find a way to be sure NO profile adjustment is happening to see if that matters, since on all the distros I have used even if you don't add one, the system uses a default profile. I am not adept enough to know how to shut that off and see. I use Redshift and it doesn't make the strain any worse and it is supposed to mess with Gamma too according to the config file...yet when I use the xgamma command to see what the gamma is set at it doesn't match the Redshift config...so I have no idea whats what.

              • KM replied to this.

                hpst I think the first thing you should make sure is if your Linux distro is usable with your known-good old monitor. Because if it is, there are most probably no software issues to worry about. Which, if present, seem to manifest on all displays - even AMOLED.

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                  KM Well my problem there is my only known good computer is a 2006 32bit laptop using Xubuntu 16.04 32bit. You can't use most distros on that as they have moved on to 64 bit only. But using 32 or 64bit Xubuntu 16.04 causes strain on newer devices like everything else does...so it's clearly not as simple as a distro/DE/compositor etc being ok.

                  • KM replied to this.

                    hpst Both for Arch and Manjaro there are 32 bit projects: archlinux32.org and manjaro32.org.

                    hpst But using 32 or 64bit Xubuntu 16.04 causes strain on newer devices

                    Then it's most probably either the new display itself or the driver of the new graphics card.

                    • hpst replied to this.

                      KM I will make a live USB and try Manjaro on my old laptop...but again even the 32bit Xubuntu that is ok on the old laptop isn't ok on new stuff so even if Arch based stuff works on the old it doesn't really help since hardware is the problem for me right now...I can't use anything new.

                      reaganry With the screen protector is still significantly better than without. I really hope I didn’t waste your money but if you’re anything like me I think you’ll notice and improvement.

                      Sunspark Thanks, but it is not a sim card size issue. My Samsung does not work where I relocated because of carrier / band incompatibilities :-(
                      Minutes ago I re-sold my third smartphone of 2018 at half price. I am on that old Samsung off Wi-Fi only now.

                      degen I can't recommend the iPhone 7 Plus or 8 Plus anymore.

                      I had to spend quite some time to rule out the IPhone 7 when it came out. It initially looked like I could use it. The Plus hurt from time zero instead. Not sure now with the current OS version.
                      Have you tried the XS? I would really like to know what it differs by, since I can tolerate it. But, as said, it is a 1000 buck risk which I am not convinced of taking...

                      I just want to share this, I got dizziness from Garmin watch Fenix 5X.

                      It has a 30mm display!!! I was in a shock when i first realized it because i did not expect an issue from such a small display.

                      Has anyone else experienced symptoms with smart watches?

                        Peter I don't spend a ton of time looking at my smart watch. My old Microsoft Band v2 was fine, no problems there. The Samsung Gear Fit 2 is probably not perfect, but ok for the 10 seconds I look at it to swipe away an alert or check my heart rate. Haven't really tried any others.

                        Peter Apple Watch'es Display has obvious PWM in its OLED display. The tech is really nice end I am tempted to buy one but with this kind of display it is a no go for me.

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