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nuwio4 And I think it might be possible to set a subreddit to stick to the old design

Until they remove it.

nuwio4 For someone new coming upon this problem it might be easier to decide what to try next if, for example, the "Usable Smartphones" discussion took place in a reddit thread where people could vote on devices/suggestions at the same time.

We've had a MediaWiki instance, Github static site with pull requests. There's no motivation to get a listing of "information" together and I fail to see how Reddit would be much different in that regard.

      How many individual users are on this site anyway? (active or not)

      • JTL replied to this.

        Mark me down officially as a hard NO for moving to Reddit.

        Just want to say I appreciate the efforts of JTL and Slacor to keep this community running.smoothly. Activity seems to be up too with more new members making meaningful posts.

        JTL Uh, we have voting on comments now?

        That solves one issue.

        nuwio4 where people could vote on devices/suggestions at the same time.

        The issue with that is different things affect different people so I doubt it works like that in practice.

        • hpst replied to this.

              JTL I actually don't like voting on comments and didn't realize that had been added. I don't like how people use votes as "agree" and "disagree" buttons that have the power to bury a post. If you have to have SOMETHING I prefer the "like" as before with no negative input, but having downvotes especially leads to bad behavior and hurt feelings and is not needed here especially. Honestly I don't like ranking and approval feedback of any sort in forums like this. It's bad enough in social media and is a big part of why I hate Reddit...everything is a chase for votes and exposure and it creates the attention seeking and "screw you" behavior that goes on there. @Slacor please get rid of the thumbs down button at a minimum....personally I'd like to see it all gone and let things unfold like old forums where every voice is equal.

              • JTL replied to this.

                  hpst I'm personally on the fence here, but I understand why you have these concerns.

                  • hpst replied to this.

                      JTL I personally don't want another reddit/social media experience. I avoid those as it is. Downvotes serve no purpose in this forum other than to say "WRONG" to someone and I very much dislike that. In places like Reddit they are needed it seems to control all the people posting horrible/pointless things since moderation is so poor. The narrow topic and quality moderation here makes them unneeded. I will shut up about it now and apologize if I sound super grumpy about it, but I really hate this idea.

                      • JTL replied to this.

                          hpst No. I think now I see where you're coming from and I have the same concerns and agree with you.

                          I too find social media intolerable lately.

                            I will occasionally make changes to the forum to see if they're at least worth exploring.
                            In the future I'll probably try to make more threads about changes made so it's less obscure and open to comment.
                            this can sometimes take a few days to get a moment to focus (full time school and school)

                            I see the points about the negativity associated with downvoting.
                            I'm currently on mobile but I'll see if I can remove the downvoting later. If not I'll revert it back to the basic "likes" only

                            I'm implementing a new idea for grouping things entirely within the forum in a controlled environment without affecting current discussion, but I'll post details later.

                              Slacor I should apologize to @nuwio4 as I didn't meant to come across as if it was a personal attack. I am feeling particularly bad about all this lately as its really ruining my quality of life. A big part of my dislike for downvoting as well comes from seeing in the past when trying to bring up topics like ours in other more general places is that the masses don't care and bury it under memes and tropes or "just get Gunnars!" etc. I am sure we have all experienced posting technical questions or something serious only to see it ignored or hijacked. That's why I like the single mindedness of specific forums like this and how they also aren't infected by trolls and troublemakers generally.

                                I am also against downvoting, it can feel very alienating to have a community evaluate you in a negative way without even constructive feedback,

                                2 months later

                                I think we should start by gathering important links and make the collection sticky somehow, e.g. on the sidebar. Review sites, valuable stuff like the recent Nvidia registry discovery, tools like "ditherig", general eye strain info about dithering, flicker, PWM etc.
                                I think pasting links is much easier than writing large texts. It might be a good start.

                                  KM We have a new Wiki section now. Still needs work though.

                                    it would be nice to have a section where people can upvote downvote screens, os etc though.

                                    • JTL replied to this.

                                      reaganry I disagree. Something that works for someone may not work for someone else. Subjectivity doesn't work well with a system like that.

                                          JTL true, but everything's subjective here & we want to target in on those things that seem to work for most people.
                                          "ccfls are just as bad as leds", "ios12 works for me", "i have a setup that i can tolerate" ,"the regedit dithering thing made a difference" "three thumbs exercise helps" would get lots of both.

                                          "blue leds are worse than other colors" "plasma screens/ereaders are fine" might get all upvotes

                                            a more complex system that works like 'people who bought this also bought' advertising on web stores might be helpful. Where if everyone inputs a list of what they can and cannot use, software can then be used to determine what any given person is or isn't likely to tolerate.

                                            For example, if you told the software that you cannot tolerate modern graphics cards through various examples. All recommendations from people who can tolerate modern graphics cards can be discarded as they are unlikely to be helpful to that specific person. Leaving recommendations along the lines of Ditherig , older cards, driver hacks etc.

                                            This will implicitly categorise people into groups such as dithering sensitive, blue light sensitive etc and provide recommendations accordingly without the user having to explicitly do so. Because of this, it could even make recommendations based on as yet undiscovered sensitivities.

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