Plsnostrain Can you use bootcamp with win 10 fine with this?

No idea as I've never tried it sorry.

No problem, mac os is more than good enough for me. Thanks!

martin Hello man, I use such a laptop as you:
Acer time-line 5820tg
I use monitor Samsung SyncMaster 243lnx
These devices are very old so it's difficult to find them in saleing((( Also these displays have low screen resolution(( But both of them are perfectly suitable for my eyes, I can work with them all day long without any strain.
I noticed, that these screens have CCFL light(not LED) so I will TRY to use another CCFL displays in future, now I wanna try Dell2410
My smartphones, that I can use without eyes strain:
Samsung galaxy A3 2017
Honor 9

Other guys wrote that they can use MacBook, but for me they are awful, I have strange hurt in my eyes with macboks 2016-2018

Desktop PC:
6700K on an ASUS Z170A motherboard, running Intel 530 dedicated graphics
Ditherig 1.9
Connected via DP 1.2 to a Dell S2716DG (1440P, 144hz, TN monitor)

Feels weird using Instagram, Facebook, etc. on the PC but, gotta do what you gotta do.

    PureClear Connected via DP 1.2 to a Dell S2716DG (1440P, 144hz, TN monitor)

    Is this further evidence that maybe TN panels are friendlier to people such as are around here?

      poliakov
      If have temporal dithering problem. I will tell you what you do. BTW, there are many topics in this website but i appreciate if anyone can make a new topic so everyone can list his set up that works for him without any discussion.
      As for what works for the dithering. My advice buy any laptop that has intel hd 530 or intel hd 620 (this what I have) or other listed intel graphis on the Japanese guy website. One you got the laptop, you must install the dithering tool and ensue all dithering disabled, check also the tools run on startup. How to check the dithering tool is doing the job? Simply downlod a color gradient photo from google and check that banding lines are there. You can enable dithering and disable to see the effect.

        Riva Does this mean intel HD only laptop, or intel HD plus any graphic card? I work with design and intel HD only laptops usually have poor color accuracy.

        • Riva replied to this.

          I have an Acer 2012 laptop that I've owned since new, albeit for my parents use. (Aspire v3-771, 17", i5 3210M, HD4000)

          I have installed W10 on it and alongside ditherig app, is 100% comfortable to use, as good as a 200x setup.

          One thing to note is it's running the original BIOS and hasn't been updated since it was bought.

          I am now ruling W10 out as a cause and pointing solely to driver/vbios/GPU as the culprit.

          The fact is that W10 is only going to install drivers >2015 and as we can't slipstream W7 drivers into it, we could all be blaming Windows but it's the new drivers that are causing problems, not the OS.

          I have bought quite a few different types of monitors lately. Asus VG245H is the one I settled with. It's my favourite so far and have been gaming on it alot with no issues. I believe it's the trace free option and the fact that it's a TN panel. MPRT and flicker are my two biggest problems. I have ruled out Windows 10. I have trouble with VA and IPS. I need maximum speed and the least amount of motion blur possible. I'm running Windows 10 with an R7 Radeon with HDMI. I tried a BENQ 2411P and it wasn't bad but not as good as this ASUS. LED is really bottle necked though because it's so slow compared to plasma and CRT. I hooked up my Super NT to the monitor which is basically a super Nintendo with HDMI and it's ok but is nothing compared to my plasma TVs when you make Mario run fast you can start to see it blur up. Not as bad as the BENQ though. If I use a IPS monitor immediate pain. If I use a VA panel immediate pain. Unless I use a Samsung VA but turn on strobing then the pain goes away. Still I find this TN panel way more comfortable. VA has strange issues where there is alot more motion blur for the first 30 minutes till the panel warms up. Looks like we won't see a good CRT 60 Hertz perfect quality until OLED figures out some tricks. OLED still suffers from motion blur but I believe ultimately when these monitors come out I will have no issues. LG TVS will be including strobing and they can run at 120 Hertz when hooked up to a PC which is cool.

          poliakov
          I have only one graphics card which is intel. Anyway, the dithering app works only with intel graphics cards. In his website he mentioned that the app tested with Intel HD Graphics 515, Intel Iris Pro Graphics 5200 and Intel HD Graphics 4000. We know also it works with Intel HD 620 and 530 as well. BTW, I would appreciate if someone has All-in-one computer to try it and post his result.

          Riva there are many topics in this website but i appreciate if anyone can make a new topic so everyone can list his set up that works for him without any discussion.

          A good idea in theory. The problem is it'll probably get sidetracked with commentary not relevant to the discussion.

          AgentX20

          Is this further evidence that maybe TN panels are friendlier to people such as are around here?

          Maybe, it is definately easier to look at.
          I have two IPS monitors, an XB271HU and a GW2765HT. Both are far more beautiful and vibrant, but they're also just collecting dust in the corner of the room. I haven't used either since the discovery of running off the intel 530 with ditherig however, so bear that in mind. The Dell is also a faster panel, so it could be the reduced blur during movement/scrolling that is helping keep things at ease.

          15 days later

          Computer monitor: Dell P2214H, but it only doesn't cause pain with the correct ICC profile loaded. Thats indicates it is a color reproduction issue at least for me.

          Phone: Moto G4 Plus with Skinomi screen protector. Currently dying looking for a useable repleacement

          9 days later

          So far I've only experienced eye strain from computers. My phone is a galaxy s8 plus and my primary TV is a 2017 samsung series 8. The only time they bother me is if I already have eye strain from using a "bad" computer.

          I've been struggling with eye strain for the past 2 and a half years. Since then I've bought and built multiple desktops and laptops trying to figure out what works and what doesn't.

          3 things I've noticed while testing different computers

          1. 4th gen intel chips don't trigger my eyestrain.
          2. Connecting my work laptop with a 6th gen i7 and nvidia quadro cpu through USB-C causes eye strain but when using VGA, it's a lot more bearable.
          3. Games trigger eye strain and migraines faster than web browsing and coding

          No eye strain

          • Surface pro 3 with a 4th gen i5 cpu running win 10
          • mac mini 2014 with 4th gen intel i5 (don't remember which version of osx)
          • older dell inspiron with a 4th gen i7 and radeon hd 6850 running windows 7
          • AMD phenom II with radeon hd 7850 running windows 7

          Eye strain

          • ryzen 5 1600 with gtx 1060 running windows 10 pro
          • ryzen 5 1600 with radeon rx 550 running windows 10, linux mint, ubuntu
          • ryzen 7 with 1060 running windows 10 pro
          • 7th gen i7 with intel graphics 630 running windows 10 home
          • ryzen 7 with radeon hd 7850 running windows 10
          • dell laptop 6th gen i7 with nvidia quadro 510 running windows 10
          • dell g7 with 7th gen i7 and gtx 1060 running windows 10
          • surface pro 6 8th gen running windows 10
            4 days later

            Most of my problems seem to be related with build 1809 of Windows 10 and some phone updates that have occured at similar time. All devices manufactured after September of 2018 seem to give me some kind of eyestrain, regardless of OS.

            History of my issues:

            Flashback to:

            • 3 years before - Geforce GT 650 Ti with Windows 8 connected to a LED monitor through VGA, through HDMI no symptoms;
            • year before - X220, but only when connected through VGA or DP with DP to HDMI converter;

            Current problematic devices:

            • MacBook Pro Mid 2014, strain after about 20min of usage
            • X220 after manual installation of Windows 10 build 1809 - was fine before on 1803, issue persists after installing different OS
            • Same story with Y510P and HP 255 G3 (A4-5000)
            • HP Envy x360 15 with Ryzen 5 and Vega 8 GPU on build 1803
            • MSI GE62 on build 1803 all the time after connecting monitor through HDMI to VGA signal converter - was fine before
            • Lenovo Ideapad 330 - running on 1803

            Problematic phones - Moto G, Moto E, Galaxy J7 (old), Galaxy A6 (2017), Redmi Note 5 Pro
            OK phones - Galaxy S6 (last software update a year ago)
            OK computers - PC with GT 650 Ti, y510p, X220, HP 255 G3 & Pavilion 15 (A4-5000 both), some old Dual Core HP notebook on Windows 7

            Downgrading does not solve the problems:

            • X220, y510p, GE62 seemed to be fine at first, but were somehow irreversibly damaged with update 1809 installation.

            Display does not seem to matter - strain persists after connecting to external monitors.
            Possibly gen 2 to 4 Intel CPU are safe until update 1809, as well as older AMD APU.

            No eye strain:
            Smartphone: Samsung Alpha
            TV: Samsung D8000
            Monitor: Samsung 920NW (OS Windows 7, Intel onboard video, good old Intel driver)
            Network Media: Popcorn Hour A300

            2 months later

            Smartphone(custom rom with power profile set to power save, force gpu rendering which is a deprecated setting, older webview, older versions of apps, different firmware radios may influence strain): Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Pro with Tianma/BOE panel(Lineage 14.1 Oct 2017 by Umang96, Android 7.1.2, 7.6.15 firmware, PureAGNi Kernel v13.3 For LOS-Ng unofficial build by Pzqqt)

            Tablet(custom rom with power profile set to power save, force gpu rendering which is a deprecated setting, older webview, older versions of apps like Samsung internet beta 16.06.23/Impulse 1.7.2/Ymusic 3.7.15 , clearing cache and dalvik/system webview/play services, in this order, may reset strain): Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 T813(RR 5.8.5 Oct 2017 by Icewyng, Android 7.1.2)

            Desktop(medium strain):


            My experience(you need to test for yourself):

            • strained my eyes badly after an upgrade, now, i can't even use my previous setup and i get different symptoms from newer phones
            • deep in the head, sort of behind the eyes headache that comes instantly after looking at a LED-backlit computer monitor or newer OLED
            • seems like problems stem from a combination of display type + PWM + newer video drivers + newer windows build + MBR/GPT + newer software + type of vga output + motherboard bios + video card bios + various win tweaks + video memory brand + system memory brand(if on igpu)
            • strain varies between different videocard models and brands, windows feature updates(ex: 22H2) and editions(ex: Education), even machines of the same model(sourced screens are from different suppliers and different versions of firmware are being used)
            • newer desktop motherboards(bios related) may increase strain(starting with 8th gen intel)
            • windows releases post 1511 feb update may increase strain
            • most comfortable, for me, seems to be the 1511 Education edition of Windows 10(build 10586.0), 1507 Ed, Windows 8.1 Enterprise(update 1)
            • i usually install Windows 11 builds offline and then apply WUB and O&O ShutUp10 before connecting to the internet(it strains after updating optional features)
            • newer AMD and Nvidia video drivers may increase strain
            • installing newer .net framework may increase strain
            • installing different start menu may increase strain(classic shell gives less strain)
              *special mention to stardock start8/start10 app that affected strain in such a way that i had to reflash bios (reflashing the bios in the windows utility but stopping at reading the bios part reset strain for me)
            • running Windows with basic display drivers may reduce strain(high temps without driver)
            • adjusting visual effects for best performance in windows may reduce strain(i keep smooth edges of fonts checked)
            • disabling gpu scaling may reduce strain(i use the bios option)
            • setting Nvidia RGB dynamic range to limited may reduce strain
            • uninstalling chipset driver related to pci express may reduce strain(double driver can tell which drivers are updated)
            • disabling wifi and bluetooth controller in device manager(even if no driver) may reduce strain
            • changing 3D option to performance in intel driver may reduce strain
            • reducing cursor blink rate to none in keyboard properties may reduce strain
            • installing edge dev + webview may reduce strain
            • keeping the computer in hibernate mode may reduce strain
            • keeping a notebook on battery may reduce strain
            • disabling WindowsColorSystem Calibration Loader service in Task Scheduler may reduce strain
            • swapping an iphone oled screen with an cheap version from aliexpress may reduce strain
            • converting from mbr to gpt may improve strain
            • SATA drivers may influence strain(included in chipset setup drivers)
            • EMF/RF may influence strain
            • when downgrading bios i strongly recommend using a bootable DOS flash drive with added parameters for the flash utility that will fully erase every block(ex: afudos.exe /p /b /n /e /l /R), if the bios doesn't have the block specified it skips the entire process so i had to delete the parameter and start again
            • android versions after 2017 increase strain on both my phone and tablet, magisk and microg may increase strain
            • some phones have sensors above the screen that may increase strain(ex: Samsung S8/S9 iris scanners)
            • for laptops a safe choice would be 2nd-->7th gen intel(subjective)
            • didn't test too many but i'd go with a several years old monitor with maximum 250 nits(TN Innolux or AH-IPS) which should be kept at full brightness all the time
            • disabling dithering, changing icc profiles or running windows in audit mode didn't help me
            • disabling direct3D acceleration in Windows desktop didn't help me
            • disabling font smoothing in Windows didn't help me
            • killing dwm.exe didn't help me
            • turning off "display power saving technology"(automatic contrast) in intel driver -> power section didn't help me
            • windows tweaks like disabling hibernation, disabling index, disabling UAC, using uxtheme patcher, using win 10 dpi fix utility, enabling user autologin, etc., may increase strain
            • KMS windows/office activation tasks/services may increase strain, i activate manually
            • driver from dedicated video card influences strain even when connected to iGPU
            • swapping the video card to a "bad" one and then switching it back requires clean install of video drivers(i needed to reformat os with some AMD cards)
            • for AMD graphics cards, the cleanup utility performs a more complete uninstall than DDU
            • colours are more saturated in server editions of win 10 and desaturated in ltsb/ltsc
            • strain with HDMI<DVI<DP for me
            • strain in Manjaro's XFCE<GNOME<KDE Plasma, tested Nobara/Fedora and they seem to be better
            • the xf86-video-fbdev driver for linux is more comfortable but lacks support for multiple monitors
            • executing new windows setup in safe windows build may increase strain
            • some windows/linux iso's may influence strain when downloaded or copied on external usb
            • motherboards and video cards tested with strain: Gigabyte Z390 Aorus PRO, MSI Z370-A PRO, MSI B350M PRO VDH, MSI X99S SLI PLUS, Vega 56, GeForce 980ti, R9 280x, Radeon HD 7850(less strain without driver with older cpu)
            • also with strain: 24GL600F-B monitor(TN, tweaked gamma and disabled overdrive but still no bueno), quadro k5000(need to retest), chinese X79 MB clones(updated bios), 3 gtx 970's from MSI, EVGA and Gigabyte(gen 1.1), dell latitude e6450(display), acer e5-572g(display)
            • less strain: Clevo P651RP6-G(max brightness, downgraded bios+ec firmware, Windows 8.1, test mode, 2015 intel driver, 368.95 nvidia modded driver, intel 3D set to performance, nvidia rgb set to limited, windows visual effects set to performance, nvidia gpu scaling disabled in bios)
              8 days later

              Best working for me (22nd of March):

              Desktop

              • Windows 7
              • Intel Skylake CPU (6th gen)
              • Integrated Intel graphics with "Standard VGA" driver (better than Intel driver with Ditherig)
              • Dell 2208WFP ( TN panel, no FRC, CCFL backlight, can be made PWM free )
              • Opera browser, IE 11 (others give eyestrain, worst is Firefox Quantum)

              I am not a gamer, so this setup is working for me. Currently waiting on old ATI FireGL graphicscard to test the 10bit mode that worked for me on a Thinkpad W500.

              Laptop

              • Thinkpad W500 with ATI FireGL chip in 10bit mode (have 2, one is working, the other one not. Could not figure out yet what the difference is... Seems to be related to VBios setting. Bad one has dithering even on BIOS screen)

              Phone

              Have not found any working phone yet. iPhone 7 Plus and iPhone 8 Plus seem to be ok for some time.

              --

              Update from 26th of March:

              Desktop

              • Windows 7, Cleartype off
              • NVidia Quadro NVS 295 (only one monitor connected, two increase flicker)
              • Eizo CG223W ( S-PVA panel, CCFL backlit, has PWM and probably FRC, but way better than previous TN-panel. Do not get "foggy mind" anymore )
              • Opera, FF Quantum still "painful"

              Best setup yet. May check the NVidia card also with Linux and Windows 10.

              --

              Update from 27th of March:

              The Windows 7 / NVidia / S-PVA panel setup is awesome. Best I have had in years! Just found the other devices I used to be worse than expected. Guess I got used to the headache already?

              Laptop

              • no laptop yet that is as good as my current desktop setup
              • Lenovo W500 with ATI FireGL dithers as well (only noticed it after two days sitting in front of my "perfect desktop" setup now )

              --

              Update from 29th of March

              Can say that some NVidia cards are just a joy to work with.
              Currently I own 3 but only 2 of them are "good".

              Good:

              • NVidia Quadro NVS 295 (got mine for 4 EUR on Ebay)
              • NVidia Quadro K420 (got mine for 40 EUR on Ebay)

              Not good:

              • NVidia Quadro FX 3800 (no clue why this did not work for me honestly)
              • ATI FirePro W7000
              • ATI FirePro W5700
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