Hello and thanks for taking me into this group
My monitor (HP25x) is making me feel physically uncomfortable and giving me stress. This last month I've been trying to comprehend why I get this sensation. My monitor is TN. Before I had another HP; x24ih, also TN.
I also use a pen display for graphic software, it´s the Huion Kamvas 13 (IPS).

The problem is: When I look or stare at the monitor, it will catch my attention differently from other devices, like as it was something that shouldn't be there, when I use it, I gradually tilt my neck to the right, my shoulder feels heavier. Then when I'm going to stand up from the desk or grab a pen, or just scratch my nose making any movement my articulations slightly pop as if I were making an abrupt movement.
I found an old notebook I used to have, Hp Pavilion 14 Sleek book. When I used this, just by staying still or softly moving my wrist I get a sensation of relief (if I used the PC before). I didn´t notice the stress particularly as a thing until I used the notebook. After avoiding its use, I became more patient and started drawing a lot again (this is very important for me).

Before this I've been changing mouse, keyboard, chair, desk, etc. I didn't even get to think it had to do with my monitor after comparing my pc with the notebook. I went to the internet trying to found why was this difference and found out about many subjects I wasnt aware off: I started using 100% brightness on my devices. I dismounted my main monitor to leave it there with water on so I could remove an actual part of it: the "anti-glare coating", thinking that maybe that was the issue, blame it on the Tn, then blame it on the IPS. Read a lot of forums PWM brightness modulation/DC dimming, flicker-safe/flicker-free monitors. downloaded f.lux. But none of that had the effect on my computer I was looking for.

I found that if updated my PC´s display adapter to the "Microsoft Basic Display Adapter."
The issue will just go away. My graphics card is an NVidia GTX 1650. I dont mind changing it, but I havent really gotten to any conclusions. ¿Will this problem go away with a different card? ¿Maybe and AMD Radeon? Why is it even happening? I can provide media if needed.

Good evening and thanks for your help!

    amalsepulveda changed the title to Nvidia very uncomfortable to look at, stress. Can't use driver .

    amalsepulveda

    Hey welcome to LEDstrain!

    That sounds kinda similar to when I look at screens. If changing the driver helps then maybe try installing a older nvidia driver and see if that helps? If I had to guess maybe the Nvidia driver is causing temporal dithering. You could install a current Nvidia driver and then also install color control which I will link. Color control will allow you to disable dithering which could make things feel comfortable.

    I would probably stay away from amd as it seems they dither bad. There's only one amd card that seems to be safe for someone and that's the Radeon pro w5500 ONLY on Linux. When using that on windows I guess it dithers.

    Some other graphics that seem to be safe would be intel integrated but not any of the iris/xe ones, quadro rtx 4000 / 5000, and Intel arc a770 LE with ACM and HDR disabled. I'm sure there's other cards to buy that's all I can think of at the moment. Now this isnt a for sure list that will work but these are ones I've seen come up multiple times as safe but obviously there could be other triggers such as windows versions, motherboard/bios versions, and driver versions too that can contribute to strain/visual stress.

    Color control:

    https://github.com/Maassoft/ColorControl

    I will be testing many different hardware once I get my new monitor soon. Some of the HW are the cards I listed above.

    Edit:

    You want to also force your monitors native color bpc inside Nvidia control panel.

        You had no such problems before?

        jordan

        Hey Jordan, thanks for your advice.
        Next two days after your reply I tried using both Massoft´s ColorControl to disable dithering and an official ICC color profile that came with my monitor's Hp's driver. (Follow this guide: Using ICC Profiles in Windows | PC Monitors).
        That alongside using the monitor the most far away I could (My arm length + 25cm) AND Adjusting the display scaling on the desktop size page from nvidia control panel to "Perform scaling on GPU" was helping me trough the difficult to watch my display when using any of the nvidia drivers for my gpu 1650.

        That made the symptoms a few more tolerable, however it didn´t solve the problem. My same display was still perceived by me different when connected to desktop PC (gtx1650) as when connected to my notebook.

        Finally, the day before yesterday, I choose to download (from here: Drivers GeForce oficiales | NVIDIA) An "Studio" called version of the very last driver. I´m unaware of what exactly was causing my issues. But once I installed this studio driver my desktop computer stopped giving me discomfort and making me exhausted while using it, it very much worked the same as when generic display adapters, my notebook, or any other device. Happy ending! :-)
        I´m not sure either if this is a graphic card malfunction related issue or if it is the way all Nvidia Gpus work with gaming drivers. It's possible that installing the studio driver when using not a gpu driver but the microsoft display adapter intead had something to do with it, perhaps I wasn´t installing the other gpu drivers as needed. Either way, I don´t want to test it out. Since the problem has gone away from me and I work in my computer more than I game I don´t have any intentions of testing anyhting again (and risking to exposing me to those problems once again), Im just gonna stick to the studio drivers from now on.

        Have good luck and thanks for your feedback

            amalsepulveda

            Not a problem!

            Wowww that's awesome I'm glad to hear that!! I don't blame you I wouldn't want to try anything else if that works for ya haha. I think that will help others too, by using studio drivers. Ill have to test that once I get comfortable on a computer again, waiting on a monitor to come in.

                jordan

                FWIW, in my testing, I have always been using the latest studio drivers but it didn't impact dithering at 60hz.

                    16 days later

                    amalsepulveda

                    An "Studio" called version of the very last driver. I´m unaware of what exactly was causing my issues. But once I installed this studio driver my desktop computer stopped giving me discomfort and making me exhausted while using it,

                    Can you clarify the exact driver version? 551.61 ?
                    Windows version and build number?
                    processor and motherboard model?
                    monitor connection type(dp/hdmi) and monitor model?
                    Do you use any additional settings other than installing the last "studio" driver?
                    What is the full model name of your video card? 1650 ..??

                    Thank you

                      Colorcontrol app is wonderful to disable dithering on Nvidia cards.

                      • glvn replied to this.

                        Aquila and on what versions of Windows/drivers/video card models/monitor did you see a positive effect from the Colorcontrol?

                          The problem I am facing is that I am not able to use any of the 3rd party software on my work laptop. Was anyone successful with turning the dithering off on nvidia cards without having admin privileges?

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