6bit+FRC means dithering (monitor will flicker) 8bit+FRC flicker on 10bit and when HDR10 is turned on. Panelook is lying to you. LC238LF1F is actually 6bit+FRC. LC270LF1F 6bit+FRC | is not sure about the LC270LF4F01 . TPM270 and TPM236 (FullHD SVA panel) too 6bit+FRC M238HCA-L7Z & ME270FHB-NF0 both panels 6bit+FRC List of monitors from Asus ASUS MK241H FullHD 75Hz TN = LTM240CT03 (6bit+FRC) ASUS ML239H FullHD 75Hz IPS = LM230WF3-SLB1 (6bit+FRC) ASUS PA24AC FullHD 75Hz IPS = M240UAN02.2 (6bit+FRC) ASUS PA249Q FullHD 75Hz IPS = LM240WU9-SLA1 (8bit+FRC) --- ASUS VG249Q FullHD 144Hz IPS = LC238LF1F (6bit+FRC) ASUS VG24VQ FullHD 144Hz SVA = TPM236WF1-HP02 (6bit+FRC) ASUS VP249QGR FullHD 144Hz IPS = LC238LF1F (6bit+FRC) ASUS VG249Q1A FullHD 165Hz IPS = LC238LF1F (6bit+FRC) ASUS XG259CM FullHD 240Hz IPS = LM245WF9-SSA3 (8bit) ASUS XG249CM FullHD 270Hz IPS = MV238FHM-NG2 (6bit+FRC) ASUS VG249QM1A FullHD 270Hz IPS = MV238FHM-NG2 (6bit+FRC) Asus VG259QM FullHD 280Hz IPS = Q250HAA00 / M250HAN01.7 (8bit) Asus VG279QM FullHD 270Hz IPS = M270HAN03.0 (8bit) --- ASUS PB278Q 1440p 75Hz PLS = LTM270DL02 (8bit) ASUS MG279Q 1440p 144Hz IPS = M270DAN02.3 (8bit) ASUS XG279Q 1440p 144Hz IPS = M270DAN06.9 (8bit) ASUS PG27VQ 1440p 165Hz TN = M270DTR01.0 (8bit) ASUS XG27Q 1440p 170Hz IPS = M270DAN06.6 (8bit) ASUS XG27AQ 1440p 170Hz IPS = M270DAN06.8 (6bit+FRC) ASUS VG27AQL1A 1440p 170Hz IPS = M270KCJ-K7B (8bit) ASUS PG279Q 1440p 170Hz IPS = M270Q008 V0 (8bit) ASUS PG27AQDM 1440p 240Hz OLED = LW270AHQ-ERG2 (10bit) ASUS PG27AQN 1440p 360Hz IPS = M270DAN10.0 (8bit+FRC) --- ASUS PQ321 2160p 60Hz IPS = LQ315D1LG91 (10bit) ASUS PA279CV 2160p 60Hz IPS = MV270QUM-N20 (8bit+FRC) ASUS PG27UQR 2160p 160Hz IPS = M270QAN07.0 (8bit+FRC) ASUS XG32UQ 2160p 160Hz IPS = M320QAN02.9 (8bit+FRC)

List of monitors from Gigabyte GIGABYTE G24F FullHD 170Hz IPS = M238HCA-L7Z (6bit+FRC) GIGABYTE G24F-2 FullHD 180Hz IPS = LC238LF4F (6bit+FRC) GIGABYTE KD25F FullHD 240Hz TN = M250HTN01.9 (8bit) --- GIGABYTE G27FC FullHD 165Hz VA = TPM270WF1-HP09 (6bit+FRC) GIGABYTE G27F-2 FullHD 170Hz IPS = ME270FHB-NF0 (6bit+FRC) --- GIGABYTE G27Q 1440p 144Hz IPS = M270DAN02 (8bit+FRC) GIGABYTE FI27Q-P 1440p 165Hz IPS = M270KCJ-K7B (8bit) GIGABYTE CV27Q 1440p 165Hz IPS = LSM270DP02 (8bit) GIGABYTE M27Q 1440p 165Hz IPS = LQ270T1JG08 (8bit) GIGABYTE FI27Q-X 1440p 240Hz IPS = LQ270T1JG04 (10bit) GIGABYTE M27Q X 1440p 240Hz IPS = LQ270T1JG29 (10bit) --- GIGABYTE M28U 2160p 144Hz IPS = M280DCA-E7B (8bit) GIGABYTE M32U 2160p 144Hz IPS = M315DCA-K7B (8bit+FRC) Gigabyte M32Q 2160p 170Hz IPS = M315KCA-E7B (8bit)

List of monitors from LG LG 24GN60R-B FullHD 144Hz IPS = MV238FHM-NG1 (6bit+FRC) LG 24GN600-B FullHD 144Hz IPS = MV238FHM-NG1 (6bit+FRC) LG 24GL650-B FullHD 144Hz IPS = MT236FHM-N10 (6bit+FRC) LG 24GN650-B FullHD 144Hz IPS = MV238FHM-NG1 (6bit+FRC) LG 29EA93 FullHD 144Hz IPS = LM290WW1-SSA1 (8bit) --- LG 27GN750-B 1440p 144Hz IPS = LM270WF9-SSA1 (8bit) LG 27GN800-B 1440p 144Hz IPS = MV270QHM-NF1 (8bit) LG 27GL83A-B 1440p 144Hz IPS = LM270WQA-SSA2 (8bit+FRC) LG 27GL850-B 1440p 144Hz IPS = LM270WQA-SSA2 (8bit+FRC) LG 27GN850-B 1440p 144Hz IPS = LM270WQA-SSA2 (8bit+FRC) LG 27GN880-B 1440p 144Hz IPS = LM270WQA-SSA2 (8bit+FRC) LG 27GN88A-B 1440p 144Hz IPS = LM270WQA-SSA1 (8bit+FRC) LG 27GP83B-B 1440p 165Hz IPS = LM270WQA-SSC1 (8bit+FRC) LG 27GP850-B 1440p 165Hz IPS = LM270WQA-SSC1 (8bit+FRC) LG 32GK850G 1440p 144Hz VA = M315DVR01.0 (8bit+FRC) LG 45GR95QE 1440p 240Hz OLED = LW450CWQ-ARG1 (10bit) --- LG 27UD58 2160p 60Hz IPS = MV270QUM-N10 (8bit+FRC) LG 27UL500 2160p 60Hz IPS = MV270QUM-N30 (8bit+FRC) LG 27UP600 2160p 60Hz IPS = MV270QUM-N50 (8bit+FRC) LG 27UL600 2160p 60Hz IPS = MV270QUM-N20 / LM270WR3-SSB1 (8bit+FRC) LG 27UK600 2160p 60Hz IPS = LM270WR3-SSA1 (8bit+FRC) LG 27UL650 2160p 60Hz IPS = MV270QUM-N20 / LM270WR3-SSB1 (8bit+FRC) LG 27UL650 2160p 60Hz IPS = MV270QUM-N20 / N21 (8bit+FRC) LG 27UK850-W 2160p 60Hz IPS = LM270WR3-SSA1 (8bit+FRC) LG 27UL850-W 2160p 60Hz IPS = LM270WR3-SSA1 (8bit+FRC) LG 27UP850 2160p 60Hz IPS = MV270QUM-N50 (8bit+FRC) LG 27BL85U-W 2160p 60Hz IPS = LM270WR3-SSA1 (8bit+FRC) LG 27GP950-B 2160p 144Hz IPS = LM270WR8-SSA1 (8bit+FRC) LG 27GP95R-B 2160p 144Hz IPS = LM270WR8-SSA1 (8bit+FRC) --- LG 32UN500 2160p 60Hz VA = M315QVN01 (8bit+FRC) LG 32UN550 2160p 60Hz VA = M315QVN01 (8bit+FRC) LG 32UN650 2160p 60Hz IPS = MV315QUM-N20 (8bit+FRC) LG 32UN880 2160p 60Hz IPS = MV315QUM-N20 (8bit+FRC) LG 32UL950 2160p 60Hz IPS = LM315WR2-SSA1 (8bit+FRC) LG 34GK950 2160p 60Hz IPS = LM340UW5-SSA1 (8bit+FRC)

List of monitors from AOC AOC C24G1 FullHD 144Hz VA = TPM236WF1-HP02 (6bit+FRC) AOC 24G2AE FullHD 144Hz IPS = LC238LF1F (6bit+FRC) AOC 24G2U FullHD 144Hz IPS = LC238LF1F (6bit+FRC) AOC 24G2SPU FullHD 165Hz IPS = LC238LF4F (6bit+FRC) AOC 24G2SPAE FullHD 165Hz IPS = LC238LF4F (6bit+FRC) AOC 24g2zu FullHD 240Hz IPS = MV238FHM-NG2 (6bit+FRC) AOC 24G2ZE FullHD 240Hz IPS = MV238FHM-NG2 (6bit+FRC) AOC 25G3ZM FullHD 240Hz VA = CSOT SG2451B01-4 (8bit) --- AOC 27G2U FullHD 144Hz IPS = LC270LF1F (6bit+FRC) AOC 27G2AE FullHD 144Hz IPS = LC270LF1F (6bit+FRC) AOC C27G1 FullHD 144Hz SVA = TPM270WF1-HP07 (6bit+FRC) AOC 27G2SPU FullHD 165Hz IPS = LC270LF4F01 (6bit+FRC) --- AOC Q3279VWFD8 1440p 75Hz IPS = TPT315B5-QNBN0 (8bit+FRC) AOC Q27G2U 1440p 120Hz SVA = TPM270WQ1-SG1G011 (8bit) AOC AG273QCG 1440p 165Hz TN = M270DTR01.0 (8bit) AOC CQ27G2U 1440p 144Hz VA = CSOT SG2701G01-1 (8bit) AOC Q24G2 1440p 165Hz IPS = MV238QHM-NF0 (8bit) AOC Q27G2S 1440p 165Hz IPS = M270KCJ-K7B (8bit) AOC AG274QX 1440p 170Hz IPS = M270KCJ-K7B (8bit+FRC) AOC AG275QXE 1440p 170Hz IPS = M270KCJ-K7B (8bit+FRC)

What is your source? Do you know that they tend to write sometimes 10bit, sometimes 8bit for the same 8bit+FRC. Also, there is a absolutely no way this monitor GIGABYTE M27Q is 10bit for 300 usd. This is science fiction of an intergalactic scale. Thanks for sharing, but I do not believe this is true. Probably, ASUS PQ321, could be for sure 10bit for 3.5K USD, looks legitimate. But then probably you would go with apple monitor, since there are other compatibility issues that will cause eye strain for macbook users.

Donux GIGABYTE M27Q 1440p 165Hz IPS = LQ270T1JG08 (8bit) GIGABYTE M27Q-X 1440p 240Hz IPS = Sharp LQ270T1JG29 (10bit) GIGABYTE FI27Q-X 1440p 240Hz IPS = Sharp LQ270T1JG04 (10bit)

List of monitors from Acer Acer VG240Y FullHD 144hz IPS = LC238LF1F (6bit+FRC) Acer XV240Y FullHD 144hz IPS = MV238FHM-NG0 (6bit+FRC) Acer VG242YP FullHD 144hz IPS = MV238FHM-NG0 (6bit+FRC) Acer VG259QX FullHD 144hz IPS = LM245WF9-SSA2 / Q250HAA00 (8bit) Acer XF252 FullHD 240hz TN = M250HTN01.9 (8bit) Acer XV273X FullHD 240hz IPS = M270HAN03.0 (8bit) Acer XV252QF FullHD 390hz IPS = M250HAN03.0 (8bit) --- Acer XB270HU 1440p 144hz IPS = M270DAN02.3 (8bit) Acer XV272U 1440p 144hz IPS = M270KCJ-K7E (8bit+FRC) Acer XB323U 1440p 144hz IPS = M320DAN02.2 (8bit) Acer XB273U 1440p 165hz IPS = M270DAN06.6 (8bit) Acer XV272UKV 1440p 170hz IPS = M270KCJ-K7E (8bit+FRC) Acer XB273UGX 1440p 270hz IPS = M270DAN08.0 (8bit) Acer XV272UX 1440p 270hz IPS = M270DAN08.0 (8bit) Acer XV272UX 1440p 270hz IPS = M270DAN08.0 (8bit)

List of monitors from Dell Dell U2412M FullHD 75Hz IPS = LM240WU8-SLA2 (6bit+FRC) Dell S2421HN FullHD 75Hz IPS = MV238FHM-N60 (6bit+FRC) Dell S2522HG FullHD 240Hz IPS = LM245WF9-SSA3 (8bit) Dell AW2521HF FullHD 360Hz IPS = M250HAN01.7 (8bit) --- Dell SE2717H FullHD 75Hz IPS = MV270FHM-N20 (6bit+FRC) Dell SE2717Hr FullHD 75Hz IPS = MV270FHM-N20 (6bit+FRC) Dell SE2717Hx FullHD 75Hz IPS = MV270FHM-N20 (6bit+FRC) Dell U2913WM FullHD 85Hz IPS = LM290WW1-SSA1 (8bit) Dell AW2720HF FullHD 270Hz IPS = LM270WF9-SSA1 (8bit) --- Dell U2711 1440p 75Hz IPS = LM270WQ2-SLA1 (8bit+FRC) Dell U3011 1440p 85Hz IPS = LM300WQ5-SLA1 (8bit+FRC) Dell AW3418DW 1440p 120Hz IPS = LM340UW4-SSA1 (8bit+FRC) Dell S2721DGF 1440p 165Hz IPS = LM270WQA-SSA2 (8bit+FRC) Dell AW2721D 1440p 240Hz IPS = LM270WQB-SSA1 (8bit+FRC) Dell AW2723DF 1440p 280Hz IPS = LM270WQB-SSA2 (8bit+FRC) --- Dell UP2715K 2880p 60Hz IPS = LM270QQ1-SDA2 (8bit) Dell UP3214Q 2880p 60Hz IPS = LQ315D1LG9D (10bit) Dell G3223Q 2160p 144Hz IPS = M320QAN02.C (8bit+FRC)

List of monitors from Lenovo Lenovo G24-10 FullHD 144Hz TN = MT236FHM-N10 (6bit+FRC) Lenovo G24-20 FullHD 144Hz IPS = MV238FHM-NG0 (6bit+FRC) Lenovo R25i-30 FullHD 180Hz IPS = M250HAN01.B (8bit) Lenovo R25f-30 FullHD 240Hz VA = CSOT SG2451B01-4 (8bit) Lenovo Y25-30 FullHD 280Hz IPS = LM245WF9-SSA3 (8bit) --- Lenovo Y27q-20 1440p 165Hz IPS = LM270WQA-SSA1 (8bit+FRC) Lenovo Y27q-30 1440p 180Hz IPS = LM270WQA-SSB1 (8bit+FRC) Lenovo Y32p-30 2160p 144Hz IPS = M315DCA-K7B (8bit+FRC)

List of monitors from MSI MSI G241 FullHD 144Hz IPS = LC238LF1F (6bit+FRC) MSI G24C4 FullHD 144Hz SVA = TPM236WF1-HP02 (6bit+FRC) MSI MAG241C FullHD 144Hz SVA = TPM236WF1-HP02 (6bit+FRC) --- MSI MAG271C FullHD 144Hz SVA = TPM270WF1-HP07 (6bit+FRC) MSI MAG272C FullHD 165Hz SVA = TPM270WF1-HP09 (6bit+FRC) MSI MAG274R2 FullHD 165Hz IPS = M270HAN02.6 (8bit) --- MSI MAG274QRF-QD 1440p 165Hz IPS = M270DAN08.2 (8bit) MSI MAG274QRX 1440p 165Hz IPS = LQ270T1JG29 (10bit) MSI 275CQRF-QD 1440p 170Hz VA = CSOT SG2701G02-2 (8bit) MSI G274QPF 1440p 170Hz IPS = ME270QHB-NF0 (8bit+FRC) MSI G274QPF-QD 1440p 170Hz IPS = ME270QHB-NF0 (8bit+FRC) MSI MEG342C 1440p 175Hz OLED = QMB340CD01-C03 (10bit) --- MSI MPG321UR-QD 2160p 144Hz IPS = M320QAN02.3 (8bit+FRC) MSI MEG381CQR+ 2160p 144Hz IPS = LM375QW2-SSA2 (8bit+FRC)

List of monitors from IIYAMA IIYAMA X2377HS FullHD 75Hz IPS = LM230WF3-SLK1 (6bit+FRC) IIYAMA XU2493HS-B4 FullHD 75Hz IPS = MV238FHB-N30 (6bit+FRC) IIYAMA G2470HSU-B1 FullHD 165Hz IPS = LC238LF2F (6bit+FRC) IIYAMA GB2470HSU-B1 FullHD 165Hz IPS = LC238LF2F (6bit+FRC) --- IIYAMA XB3270QS-B1 1440p 75Hz IPS = MV315QHB-N10 (8bit+FRC)

How to buy an 8bit panel monitor?

JTL

jordan For example the panel in Eazeye 24" monitor says 8 bit on panelook but when looking at the datasheet to the panel it's actually 6+2 Hi-FRC

And how is the datasheet obtained?

jordan

JTL i guess the hard part is finding out what panel model is in a monitor, for me I've been entering service menu on monitors which will say which model. For the datasheets I usually Google "PANELMODEL datasheet pdf" and sometimes you can find them posted on a random site. Also if you ask a seller which I've found some random Chinese sites that sell panels, I email and ask for datasheet and they hand them over so far at least

jordan

The Dough spectrum one LCD monitor uses a 8+2frc panel so 8 bit forced should be safe btw. The pwm is crazy high too. Someone on the eye strain telegram group uses it perfectly.

qb74

@AlanSmith I'm not sure what your source is for this list you've compiled, but it's not entirely accurate.
The S2522HG, for example, as per this review is not a true 8-bit panel as you've mentioned.
In particular, the LM245WF9-SSA3 that is.
It uses static dithering, leading to a green tint (check review, use google translate for more information)

Oh, and something which people on this forum completely neglect is the description of lagom.nl in regards to dithering:

Source: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php

For anyone coming across this list above, be cautious.
Oh and also, output depends on the GPU used.
Non-Quadro, RTX 30 series and below do not support true 10-bit output (from what I've understood)
I don't know how AMD is in regards to this.

Example of S2522HG (6bit+FRC - static dithering, LF245WF9-SSA3) VS AW2521HF (true 8-bit, M250HAN01.7)

SyedOmarNoor

the aoc q24g4e (q24g2 suggessor) uses the SG2381G01-3, the same 1440p180hz panel as the ktc q24t09 and sanc g52. it was mentioned in a review where the back was torn down and the model of the panel was revealed. it seems to be 8+frc since it does hdr10 yet 10bit native is rare

Clokwork

I find it hard to trust ANY monitor at this point stating it is true 10-bit. Simple skepticism. I don't have proof to prove them wrong, but Everything I have checked claiming either HDR, P3 color, etc.. is all natively 8 bit.

jordan

Clokwork I agree. ViewSonic says true 10bit on one of theirs but when asking them over support they first said yes 10bit but then said oh it's 8+2frc. even the up2720q dell which says true 10bit which I'm not sure if that's true either. LCD replacements online say 8+2 for that model. I guess someone would need to tear it down to see if it's true 10 based off panel model.

I think OLED or maybe some larger sized LCD panels like 30"+ would be higher likely to be true 10. Wish all this was easier to figure out. I called uperfect out for claiming true 10bit on one of theirs and they ended up changing their advertising to 8+2.

Clokwork

jordan if OLED is true 10 bit, as I’ve read in some places, I’m afraid I don’t know why I suffer watching OLED panels. For my sanity’s sake, I hope current OLEDS use FRC heh.

qb74

Clokwork Because there are more important things which affect eyestrain than bit depth and FRC.
Namely, the brightness flicker every refresh cycle and color gamut impact more people.
All OLEDs have this for now, for unknown reasons to me (a few speculations have shown up but nothing concrete)
I assume the information is out there somewhere in patents, books, articles or studies but I haven't come across them yet.

This is what i'm talking about.
This is a very apparent drop in brightness which can easily trigger eyestrain in people.

Dadab12

What's the best monitor in terms of high strain from that list in sizes 25-27? Specifically from Asus?

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