Hello so I decided to give it a go and ordered one of those hand made monitors from spectrumview.com. The whole process is super easy even with using Bitcoin to purchase. I bought Bitcoin on Phantom wallet app and then transfered it to the address mentioned on their site. So my first thought is.. WOW.. the crate looks so professional! I'm use to getting monitors in cardboard boxes haha. Now onto getting this thing setup!! I am completely blown away by the craftsmanship and quality of this monitor. Beyond exceeds my expectations. This feels like furniture and not so much a monitor! The lightbox has intake and exhaust fans as well for keeping it well ventilated. The laser engraving is suuuuuper cool. I love these small details. There's a lot of love put in this thing for sure. The monitor it's self can be placed in front of a window to illuminate the display with natural light. You can also use the lightbox with the included diffuser that you insert behind the monitor if you prefer to use the incandescent light. Here is a picture of the monitor with the incandescent lightbox dialed to max brightness. Now for the spectrometer test of the light being emitted from the display with its multi incandescent light bulb - light box. As you can see this is VERY good results as there's no blue light peak as you would find on a normal led backlit display. I will attach a comparison of a led backlit display below this image. led backlit laptop display: incandescent light box flicker test (Perfect sine wave. GOOD ) Just wanted to show everyone that this monitor does exist! The quality is amazing and is such a beautiful piece. The monitor came with additional light bulbs spares but luckily the size light bulbs are still commonly found as they are the size of appliance bulbs which are not banned. There is no cheap materials involved here. The power adapter is external and is a very nice Samsung adapter and not some cheap off brand adapter. I am pleased to find it's external as I heard internal power supplies could cause pixel inversion. The monitor is 4K VA and was told is true 10 bit. The seller has stated he tested it for dithering and none was found under a microscope. There is also a joystick menu control behind the chin of the monitor as well. The side switch on light box is to turn it on/off and the knob is an analog voltage dimmer for the AC lightbulbs. I only unboxed and set this thing up. I have not yet tested it on my eyes yet since I'm waiting for my eyes to unwind from a flare up + sick with covid which has messed my vision up. I will post an update when I get around to testing this. I just really wanted to get some content out there of it. Feel free to ask any questions! https://Spectrumview.com

Hi. This looks really interesting. I am thinking of buying it. Do you think you could take a video of it in action? How do you feel about buying it? is it worth it? Is there a lot of noise from fans? I am thinking of buying the 24" to work on as a translator. Maybe I will also buy the 31.5" to use as a TV, I am not sure. What type of spectrometer is that? Thinking of buying this as well.

So it's just an LCD panel put in a wood box with lightbulbs behind it? I guess I could make one myself pretty easily

Sindre Hello I can try to get a video sometime soon. I have not tried it yet since I am flared up from another device at the moment + being sick with covid which messed with my vision further. I am taking a break from my phone and going to try it soon when I feel better. Just dont want to try anything new until I feel ready. I feel very hopeful, will post again here when I try it. The fans arent that bad, I was expecting them to be louder. The spectrometer is a uprtek mk350n premium. They are over $2k new but there is someone on ebay selling them brand new cheaper from japan, thats where i bought mine. beyondthelight LOL thats funny! I am hoping it works great for me, I dont want to be plugged into the matrix anymore with blue light. ensete Yup. They have an open source guide on their website on making one out of a laptop.

ensete easier said than done, but at least you can maybe get a usable version like this one https://youtu.be/XHJx7D-ttdM

Pure red image test Pure green test Pure blue test

macsforme It's more than likely a 31.5" LG panel that is already PWM free. You can do what they did with any panel by yourself. It's just lightbulbs and fans. You could even make the box bigger so the panel doesn't cook itself in 12 months and/or turn yellow. Buy a flicker free sony tv and pretend it's incandescent. Warranty. Buy a CRT monitor. No warranty. Buy a video projector that uses a lamp. Warranty. DIY your own incandescent monitor. No warranty. DIY your own video projector with a lamp https://www.instructables.com/Cheap-Improved-LCD-Overhead-Projector/ No warranty. #3 Looks like the best with a warranty. They are $300ish + $30-$150 bulbs. You could probably find them $50 USD used with burn out bulbs that need replaced.

Spectrumview incandescent lit 31.5" monitor arrived!

photon78s

jordan

Fingers crossed for the full review.

jordan

macsforme

photon78s

I just have had a lot going on after I got it so I have not sat down with it for a good amount of time yet so will try and do that maybe after thanksgiving when I have some time! I also am trying to figure out what hardware to run since I dont have a confirmed safe pc/os, main reason why I havent just went for it and tried it fully yet. If my pc ends up dithering itll make me feel terrible for awhile since im super sensitive so just waiting for a time where I dont have anything upcoming going on in case of a flare up. The seller did say he did not see any dithering under a microscope when connected to a older intel macbook running fedora gnome with x11. Ill try to get to this soon!

macsforme

@jordan Any update? It is good to see that the product is legitimate. Since the light source is healthier than LED, I am curious about other factors such as TCON issues, pixel inversion patterns, dithering, other image processing issues, etc. I ultimately hope to order one of these, but it seems like modern LCD panels have issues beyond the backlight, so I hoped see a more in-depth review before making such a sizable investment.

moonpie

macsforme It's more than likely a 31.5" LG panel that is already PWM free. You can do what they did with any panel by yourself. It's just lightbulbs and fans. You could even make the box bigger so the panel doesn't cook itself in 12 months and/or turn yellow.

Buy a flicker free sony tv and pretend it's incandescent. Warranty.
Buy a CRT monitor. No warranty.
Buy a video projector that uses a lamp. Warranty.
DIY your own incandescent monitor. No warranty.
DIY your own video projector with a lamp https://www.instructables.com/Cheap-Improved-LCD-Overhead-Projector/ No warranty.

#3 Looks like the best with a warranty. They are $300ish + $30-$150 bulbs. You could probably find them $50 USD used with burn out bulbs that need replaced.

beyondthelight

moonpie It's just lightbulbs and fans

its not as easy as that, there are many variables involved in making a product to last for at least 10 years, and also there was many years involved in making sure everything was thermally equilibrated, sure you can make a home made one and even we made a forum at https://forum.thebrotherhoodofthelight.com/ to make your own, why dont you show us how to build one with just fans and bulbs? Instead of praising this new solution and looking into it, you seem to be mocking it and desacralizing it, there is no constructive anything in that.

macsforme

moonpie You have made your position clear that the causes of eye strain are more limited than what others have proposed. For those of us who wish to objectively evaluate factors such as spectrum (this topic), it would be helpful to keep the signal-to-noise ratio high.

The possibility of heat damage to the display causing discoloration is a valid concern. I hope that their ventilation design, as well as the depth of the light box itself, will mitigate this. Time will tell.

I suspect that a DIY design would prove more difficult than initially thought. For one, to get an even backlight (and to mitigate heat, as discussed above), one would likely have to experiment with diffuser characteristics and the gap between the bulbs and panel. If this company has solved these problems, personally I am willing to pay a reasonable premium versus attempting a DIY.

beyondthelight

jordan I just have had a lot going on after I got it so I have not sat down with it for a good amount of time

can't believe you still have not used it, you should sell it to somebody who will, there are people for whom this is gold.

moonpie

beyondthelight This company will likely not be around for 10 years. The panel is going to degrade from heat and more than likely turn yellow. Customers will be very upset over this. "desacralizing it?" The religious angle is a huge, giant red flag.

If I truly believed incandescent and spectrum mattered at all, I would do what I already suggested. Buy a used video projector with replaceable lamps and save $1100. For $1350 I would buy a brand new in box 4K projector with a 2-3 year warranty. Both would give me incandescent spectrum. I would have tons more options too. LCD vs DLP. Long vs short throw. Front or rear projection. Screen type and material. etc. The only downside is the lamps are more expensive; however, they are designed to last longer than regular incandescent bulbs.

Pointing out cheaper alternatives that do the same thing is constructive.

beyondthelight

moonpie

So you can forecast the future and can criticize something you have not even seen with your own eyes or felt with your hands, let alone made one, lol, to see if what you say has any substance, talk about having hubris, but thats ok, there are many people like that, let each one choose their path, you must be from some place at conflict with their neighbors constantly, that needs that attitude to make a living. May one day you follow the good light brother, until then, Au revoir! 👋

moonpie

beyondthelight It's basic physics. The bulbs will cook the panel and turn it yellow. The company likely already has seen this happen but just wrote it off as a benefit of it being incandescent. Ironically, using LED bulbs with low amplitude sine wave would fix the problem instantly and/or delay that from happening by years. If anyone bought this, I would even recommend switching over to those Waveform flicker free LED bulbs. People could easily do that on their own.

I choose to discuss the product, you choose to attack people. Physician heal thyself.

Maxx

With 30 years of experience into this matter, I can also say that the problem is not the spectrum of light, because that would be resolved with blue blocking glasses. Also, why would a CRT television from 90's and a video project cause eye strain, if it was the LED or the spectrum?

These LCD displays with some backlight gimmick or reflective technology are not going to help anyone who has a real issue.

beyondthelight

Maxx

So in your 30 years of experience you must have tried an incandescent backlit monitor right? otherwise what is backing your claims that it does not work if you have not used one

beyondthelight

macsforme

I agree that there are many valid questions regarding new technologies and this incandescent monitor regarding heat dissipation and many other things, but the company has solved all these problems, it has been over 5 years of development, this is not something that came yesterday, many prototypes had to be built to arrive to the proper design and proper functioning. I can tell you that the heat dissipates perfectly, screen does not get hot, and there will be no discoloration of any kind as time goes on, that's non sense, back is glass.

And regarding the spectrum, yes its the widest there is available, full 100 CRI, and yes spectrum does matter because infrared light is healing, and this spectrum has tons of infrared, and also its the nature of the photons themselves, which are incandescent and not luminescent, and people that were lucky to have lived around incandescent bulbs know how gentle this light is.

moonpie

macsforme

Nope. All I have done is do a basic product comparison to other incandescent products. Would you rather spend $1350 OR $100+$50 for the exact same incandescent light?

There are millions of CCFL monitors and TV's getting tossed into the trash every year. They all work but people hate how "fat" they are compared to LED. Go pick up 20 for a $1 at your local e-waste recycler and replace the CCFL backlight with $10 incandescent christmas lights on a string. That is a $11 solution anyone could do.

moonpie

beyondthelight the company has solved all these problems...
this spectrum has tons of infrared,

This company has no clue they even have a problem.

beyondthelight

moonpie

make one and we can talk further.

Why hate and speculate when you can help create and negotiate?

moonpie

beyondthelight Basic physics isn't speculation.

"The lightbox when placed face down can also be used as an excellent cured meat dehydrator, the dimmer sets the precise infrared radiation while the fans circulate air gently in and out continuously."

I don't have to create an Easy-bake Oven for liquid crystal displays to know the result.

beyondthelight

moonpie

You are right

moonpie

beyondthelight You waited 6 days to attack yourself with a lame facebook meme? Okay.

mrcnski

I unfortunately have read through this thread and found it to be thoroughly unconstructive, from all parties.

@jordan @beyondthelight Please post more information/videos about the monitor, as has been requested multiple times since the thread was opened in September. There are valid concerns on this forum about the product being a potential scam.

@moonpie While your critiques may or may not be valid, you do not offer any practical solutions or alternatives. A video projector may be a solution to the problem, but it's obviously not a screen and in a wholly different class of solutions than what this product purports to be. If you wanted to be helpful, provide links to specific products or informational threads on this forum.

moonpie beyondthelight You waited 6 days to attack yourself with a lame facebook meme? Okay.

@moonpie You criticize the other poster for personal attacks, and then proceed to do the very same thing. Nobody is obligated to respond to you within six days. As I said already, I found the above discourse to be not at all constructive.

beyondthelight

How can you not appreciate these monitors, I mean, if you are into computers and monitors then these should have some value to you, even if its just for their noveltyness. But you seem very determined to discredit them and also what I say at any opportunity. is it something beyond that which you don't like? such as the culturo-religious aspect?

moonpie

beyondthelight How can you not appreciate these monitors, I mean, if you are into computers and monitors then these should have some value to you, even if its just for their noveltyness. But you seem very determined to discredit them and also what I say at any opportunity. is it something beyond that which you don't like? such as the culturo-religious aspect?

This is a $1350 Easy-bake Oven for liquid crystal displays, not a monitor. The entire purpose of the product is to be defective by design. If you were actually into computers, you would know this. You would also know the fixes completely eliminate the entire reason for its creation. Tough to sell a giant, inefficient 60hz sine wave monitor for $1350 without all that nonsense about IR and "digital light;" however, it would actually function as a monitor.