I’ve noticed that LCD displays that claim to cover 100% (or close) of the sRGB color gamut are more comfortable to me compared to displays that cover 100% (or close to it) P3 gamut. This is independent of PWM, none of these displays have PWM. This is also the case if I switch the color profile on the P3 displays to sRGB.

I would have thought that limiting the colors on a wide color (P3) panel to sRGB would resolve this, but it’s still more irritating to my eyes than a native sRGB panel. I haven’t tried manually calibrating the displays. Im using the built in color profiles. I’ve mainly tested on MacOS and iOS. But some windows laptops exhibit the same issue.

Can anyone explain this?

The LCD panel doesn't support such a wide gamut, so the video hardware and drivers use temporal dithering and FRC to rapidly switch between similar colors to give the impression of more colors.

It's like Botox but for displays. It's totally fake. And like a Botox'd person, it will hurt your eyes ;-)

End result is, people should avoid P3 if they can.

    xenu Right, I get that. But I’d think that if you take a P3 capable display that is using FRC and you tell it to restrict itself to sRGB it would stop dithering? Or is there something different about the P3 panels that make it so they dither even in reduced color modes?

        asus389 Are these P3 displays that still cause discomfort in sRGB mode all LCD or are they OLED? I have a problem with the vast majority of OLED no matter what color profile they use.

            asus389 oh I didn’t know you were referring to Apple displays mostly. Yeah I have the same issue. My aging MacBook Pro is still usable and feels better on my eyes and brain than my sRGB 8 bit only capable Framework laptop. The Framework is still usable but I feel there has to be more to it than just a dithering or PWM issue as the framework uses DC dimming.

            Others have brought this up too, but I’m started to think part of the culprit are the specific LEDs being used. My TV is LED based but it too is older and I’m completely fine using it.

              Yeah I can use a 2017 MacBook Pro, but the new ones, even the air which supposedly doesn’t have pwm causes me issues. The only thing I can tell is all of the devices I can use say they have sRGB panels in their specs, the newer ones all have P3. ie I can use the low end iPad which still ships with a sRGB panel, the iPhone 6s, etc but the iPad Air which supports P3 is harder for me to use. Same with MacBook Pros once they moved to P3 - even if I set an sRGB color profile.

                asus389 Have you tried this newest generation iPad? It has the new display, but still states RGB on the Apple website. I'm hesitant to go in store to try it as I do have some degree of anxiety going in the Apple store since every other display in there leaves me feeling funny.

                I know it would be anecdotal, but if you are fine with it, I truly think that I might have a better chance with it as well. I too have a 2017 MBP that is a great display for me. Which OS and version are you on?

                    Clokwork yeah the low end iPads seem to be fine for me. The 8th, 9th, 10th, and 11th gen. The iPad 2018 pro seems ok also.

                    My 2017 MBP non touchbar is running Ventura. But I have to set the background to solid black and disable window tinting along with setting the accent color to a non standard value for it to be ok for me. Even then I still have issue with some versions of web browsers. I had no issues with this laptop up through Catalina. I could use it with the default settings and browser. I couldn’t use Big Sur or Monterrey at all. The default desktop backgrounds in all post Catalina OS versions cause major eye strain for me. But even setting the Catalina image on the newer versions doesn’t help. Idk why Ventura sort of works for me with these settings.

                      asus389 if I'm not mistakened I think p3 panels all use ksf/pfs phosphor which could be the trigger too

                          jordan if I'm not mistakened I think p3 panels all use ksf/pfs phosphor

                          Yes, this. Wide-gamut panels seem to use alternative phosphors to get better red coverage, which seems (to me) to give the whole screen a reddish hue. When the screen causes discomfort even when in the background, not looking directly at it, then I have to suspect the backlight itself emitting an unhealthy light (although I suppose one could also argue another kind of unhealthy emission from the monitor/device, or flicker affecting the peripheral vision).

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