jasonpicard You had mentioned a new post started so I thought it might have been the wrong link.

I wasn't familiar with BFI. Is this a TV only thing or are computer displays inserting these frames based on GPU instructions etc?

I don't watch TV nor do I have access to Plasma or CRT really so cannot test that theory easily but would be interested to know. I have a PWM free laptop that is miserable, and heavy PWM ones that is ok, so that in itself clearly isn't my problem. I cannot pin down one offending factor that always hurts or helps.

      hpst BFI is used quite a bit now. It's on most new mid to higher end TV's and almost all Gaming monitors. It brings a CRT like clarity to LED. It has to be used at 120HZ or higher to be comfortable. It almost made a Samsung 2017VA gaming monitor I had comfortable. When I would use it at 120HZ I could tolerate it for quite a while. It still wasn't as good as my new monitor. I think to diagnose yourself you need to get ahold of multiple tech to get clues. I picked up my CRT Sony Wega at a garage sale for 10 dollars. My Plasma TV's I own 7 now in my whole house I get for super cheap as well. usually pay 125 to 250 CDN for them. I always look for 2012 or 2013 models.

        hpst I also used to have an old CRT monitor that in one version of Linux I could get it to double scan(Flicker Free) that was pretty comfortable. It broke though. I couldn't get that option in any other OS though thought that was strange.

            jasonpicard A question about your good monitor - can you attach to any device with any OS, without having an eye strain?

            Also, have you tried buying another monitor of the same model?

                randomboolean I have hooked up my Mega SG, Retro USB, PS3, PS4 and my computer so far no issues. I don't run a blue filter and I just keep over drive at max and contrast at 55. Brightness Is at 0 I think. I notice brightness is fine from 0 - 20. The guys on Blur Busters were going on about how the panel in it was the first of it's kind. LG has a new IPS version of this monitor coming out July 7 I think and it's supposed to be the fastest IPS in existence at least for now. I wonder if it will have the same panel and over drive magic. I am probably going to buy another one of these but I might buy the IPS still not sure. My game room is already out of control🙂 I have 3 plasmas and 1 CRT and this gaming monitor. I like gaming on this monitor better then my plasma TV's now. I played Sonic 2 on it and couldn't tell the difference visually between the Plasma and the monitor for motion blur which is a first for me. I always used to complain about how crappy LED monitors were for motion blur. It has 2 HDMI ports on so I always hook systems up to it. I just beat Bloodstained for PS4 and that was about 30 hours. I played a steam game that I'm about 15 hours into. Playing a Sega CD game on an emulator right now. Nothing I do on it causes strain.

                    randomboolean https://www.blurbusters.com/e3-lg-announces-144hz-ips-gaming-monitors-with-ul-tested-1ms-gtg-response/ Here is the IPS monitor versions. This one is probably better for people with dithering issues. The blur busters guy had a thread showing a bunch of math numbers with different panel types with dithering and how IPS was the best. One other intersting thing is that this IPS version is a nano IPS which is LG's version of quantum dot. So you get better lighting then regular W-LED.

                      degen I know the craziness of all this. I'm sure I bought and returned almost 20 monitors in the last six months. Actually a few I got stuck with lol. If you got it from Amazon they will take it back if it doesn't work.

                        Ordered the 27GL850, will come out in two weeks and I will post results 😉 Pretty certain I have issues with dithering.

                          verlaeufer Pretty certain I have issues with dithering.

                          If dithering is your problem a new monitor isn't going to solve it since it comes from the GPU. Are you just trying to rule out other stuff?

                              hpst There is differences in the quality of dithering depending on your panel and the new IPS panels seem to work. I was in the store yesterday, and with the LGs I seemed to be fine.

                              I can slighty rule out refresh rate and PMW, due to various different displays I am sitting in front of: VN/TN/60hz/144hz/Full HD/WQHD Pc with 1070 or Intel Onboard Graphics as well as Macbook Pro/iPhone 7.

                              • Resolution doesn't seem to be the issue, scaling does nothing, Full HD / WQHD seems the same when it comes to headaches
                              • Blue light isn't the issue, flux does nothing/bluelight filter glasses do nothing
                              • Eyes are okay, still asked for bluelight glasses, which do not help
                              • Refresh rate: If any difference, I have the feeling that 144hz is making me motion sick, but there is no change in headache
                              • Macbook Pro Bootcamp or Mac OSX show no difference
                              • With a Hackintosh OSX (either Intel on or the 1070 on) the headaches remain
                              • Dithering is the last big remaining thing to rule out, after that its down to a mixture of problems.

                                  verlaeufer Dithering is the last big remaining thing to rule out, after that its down to a mixture of problems.

                                  @JTL is working on a detector using a capture card...which if successful could then lead to an "off" switch. Until we can turn it off and verify it's off we are really just flailing. I hope the new monitor works for you...but my biggest stress has always been not being able to find out WHY something does or doesn't work so I can lock that in and reproduce it. I've had mostly the same experience as you in general and agree dithering is the last great "unknown".

                                    degen Fastest. Contrast 55. I don't use strobing but if you can tolerate it you will see added benefit. Having the contrast below 68 causes no overshoot when you have it set to fastest. Brightness I think mine is set to zero or close to. 0 - 20 seems fine for me. I don't use the blue filter.

                                        jasonpicard Strobing will bring it more to a CRT like smoothness. Not sure though if it would be good for reading text on a webpage. That's up to each individual person. My computer sucks so I can only run hdmi 120 computer or 60 hz consoles. I have had so much hooked up to it no issues. It's considered in the top 3 fastest 144hz according to Blur Busters and one user thinks it's the best.

                                          degen Your the plasma TV guy right? I can tell you as an owner of plasma TV's I play Sonic on this thing and I can't tell the difference visually between this and my Plasma. When it is set to fastest it looks amazing. Obviously the Plasma gives better color but everything else is better on this monitor.

                                            degen Forgot a couple more settings. Gamma is set to 4 and I am using the black equalizer forget what I have it set to. You can almost just set it and tell how good it looks when the blacks look good. I never play with the settings after this in fact I don't think I have changed them since the second day.

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