hpst

As to why polarisation is a problem? no idea. I don't know of any reason why it would be an issue. It is simply the strongest common link between the devices I can and cannot use. We can hypothesise all day about what causes our problems, but its evidence that counts.

If I can take an OLED phone that hurts my eyes, remove the polarising filter, and find it still hurts my eyes I will know with sufficient certainty that I am looking in the wrong place.

    tfouto

    I don't know enough to say really, don't be deceived by my authoritative language style! I am writing up my doctoral thesis at the moment, so naturally everything else I write ends up in the same style.

    if you rotate a linear polarisation filter against linearly polarised light at some angle it will go black as your filter blocks out more or less of the polarised light. The colour effect in your first video, I don't know what is going there. The second video is unavailable for me.

    I'm buying some different polarisation films, so perhaps I will understand more what's going on in your first video if I can reproduce it.

      tfouto

      Do those phones have oled or lcd screens? do you know what the deal with the glasses is?

      I just bought both a linear and a circular polarising filter from ebay, so unless your glasses have some wave plate effect I should be able to reproduce what you are seeing.

        Seagull Wouldn't using an opposing filter to cancel it out prove the same? Might be easier than tearing a phone down properly.

        I am fairly sure from reading that all LCD panel types are linearly polarized. Even a TN panel being at 45/135 is just how they position the polarizing layers as far as I can tell and isn't a result of the polarization coming our circular. Frankly I am having a hard time understanding circular polarization in relation to light, as it seems it needs a constant em field to keep it rotating? Linear just comes out the slits and that's that as it travels on in a plane. I'm old and physics courses were a long time ago.

        Your comment about plastic sheets bending the waves would make sense for my "pink sheet" example and why some screen protectors seem to alter polarization.

          hpst

          From what I understand it is not possible to unpolarise polarised light, or atleast deeply impractical. Turning linear into circular is the best I have seen so far. If you know of such a filter please let me know. Ideally, I want to try an oled without any polarisation.

          Regarding circular light, remember light is both photons and waves at the same time. Light doesn't need any driving force to oscillate, it just does. As for the circular bit, two orthogonal sine waves draw circles over time, I don't know how to attach images, but there are few good ones on google images.

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            Seagull If you cannot unpolarize it then how is the plastic sheeting making a polarized display visible with polarized glasses 360deg? I had assumed it was twisting some of the light and diffusing it somehow.

              tfouto

              So those are 3d glasses? given your phones are LCD, your glasses must be circular polarised. If they were linear you'd probably see blackness on the phone screens at the appropriate angle.

              The way they help you see 3d, is that the 3d screen projects two different images, one left circular polarised, the other right circular polarised. One side of those glasses filters left but keeps right, the other vice versa, to create the 3d effect.

              I still don't understand why they are creating that interesting light show though!

                Seagull Looking at a Moto G4 with polarized glasses shows it's vertically polarized. But with a tempered glass screen protector on it looking with the glasses shows a rainbow moire as I rotate but no blackness or brightness change...just color changes. Looking at an iPhone 6 with no protector dims as you rotate to 90deg but only about 50% and never blacks out. Weird.

                hpst

                if the plastic sheeting has converted the linear polarisation of the LCD to circular, then a linear filter cannot filter all the light. Circular light is oscillating along both the X & Y axis. Your linear filter can only block one of those axes at a time. You can block the X, but you'll still see the Y. You block the Y, you can still see the X.

                Those screen protectors are doing something interesting to the light, makes me wonder if that's why some people find screen protectors help. Can't remember the user name, but there's the chap who swears by his skinomi matte protector, but doesn't benefit from any other.

                  Seagull Help me understand how a clear, flat film can circularly polarize? I get how slits can make something linearly polarized. I don't get how a flat sheet could start light into a spiral. In my mind even if the slits were arcs or spirals the sheets would just come out in those shapes linearly like an old PlayDoh shape maker as tubes or arcs...not spinning. What makes the light start in a spiral?

                    hpst

                    I can't, I have no idea either. Optics are weird.

                    Seagull With Polaroid glasses i can see HTC is vertical or horizontal polarized, in on position i can see anything, altough in the diagonal i still see that colored shape also presented on circular polarized.

                    Seagull but there's the chap who swears by his skinomi matte protector, but doesn't benefit from any other.

                    That's ensete

                    Also, I see you use Galaxy S3 Mini Seagull that has OLED display? Do you suspect polarization has changed in OLED panels recently?

                    Interesting is the Essential Phone which someone reported usable on here might not have this polarization? https://old.reddit.com/r/essential/comments/74nkbz/type_of_polarizer_the_screen_uses_can_you_see_the/

                    Someone here says matte screen protector "cancels out" the polarization: https://old.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/4h7qwj/for_those_curious_how_the_htc_10_looks_through/

                      ryans

                      My experiences with OLEDs has been quite inconsistent. But I do not think the polarisation has changed. It seems that PWM in OLEDS affects me a lot, despite not affecting me in other devices (I have an LED LCD TN laptop which uses low frequency PWM that I can use ok).

                      I think the reason I could use the S3 mini was its small size, and favourable PWM (not tested though), but I still can only look at it for a few minutes before pain develops. All the other samsung devices have been much worse, older or newer, I assume due to their aggressive PWM.

                      One reason I suspect polarisation is a problem for me in general, is that even completely PWM free OLED phones like the LG Flex 2, and Lumina 650 cause me discomfort. But to a much lesser extent than the others.

                        Seagull the new iPhoneX and XS has also circular polarization similar to my XZ2. I saw it store with my 3d glasses...

                        Can't it be the blue light that affects you?

                          I create this highly speculative theory.
                          Polarization even if is not the main reason of eye strain can have influence to some people.
                          To our eyes:
                          No polarization > 45° polarization > 1 axis polarization > circular polarization.

                          Maybe for people with eye convergence circular polarization might be the worst. Or even vertical/horizontal polarization.

                          Or has nothing to with. The most modern displays are using circular polarization and polarization might just be a form that goes along the development of new displays. 45 degree was older tech, so better. But the main factor here is the old tech not polarization.

                          hpst
                          "A waveplate or retarder is an optical device that alters the polarization state of a light wave travelling through it. Two common types of waveplates are the half-wave plate, which shifts the polarization direction of linearly polarized light, and the quarter-wave plate, which converts linearly polarized light into circularly polarized light and vice versa.[1] A quarter-wave plate can be used to produce elliptical polarization as well."

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveplate

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