Trouble with Windows 10, any solutions?
Outside of a workplace y'know y'all don't have to use Win 10..
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Sunspark Outside of a workplace y'know y'all don't have to use Win 10..
That's true however not for much longer. Windows 7 updates stop next month and Windows 8.1 in January 2023.
I also think given that W10 has been out for nearly 5 years, it's the principle that by now we should be able to use this OS without issues. Maybe something behind the scenes changed in W10, this could explain why when testing my NUC a few months back I had problems.
Lauda89 There definately are things in hardware to watch out for but thankfully these issues are now in the public eye, that's why we can buy PWM-free/low blue light displays.
In my own situation there have been so many 'upgrades' that have bricked my usuable devices into unusable, or certainly more uncomfortable than before.
I would say that it's not getting too complicated, if anything taking hardware out of the equation simplifies things. It also means that a software fix would solve our problems overnight. Therein lies the frustration, it can probably all be fixed with a few lines of code, but it is a walled garden.
diop I am not optimistic as you are 
I mean, I found to be affected by this problem 2/3 years ago when i tried to change my old CCFL PC monitor and i had to buy 5 monitor before I found one that didn't hurt my eyes: Alienware AW2518H 240 hz TN pannel 1080P.
But now also with that monitor i have problems with the latest windows upgrade. Maybe also the other monitor wasn't a problem itself but just a bad combination HW / SW ?!
I am also not really happy that there is a software factor to our problem because you can not always fix the software. With MACOS we can't do anything, with cars display too. It is often not easy to go back with the updates of TVs, smartphone etc ...
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Lauda89 Maybe we will see some progress with Linux (there is still a bug filed on Ubuntu launchpad) but who knows how long that will take to get attention.
If it was just PC's I had problems with, then maybe I could have worked around it by using Smartphones and buying a games console. In my case the symptoms occur on pretty much all avenues of new tech. I can't watch videos on a Samsung Smart TV due to the effects (I suspect dithering), I can't use a Nintendo Switch for more than 10 minutes on the System Menu (I suspect dithering) and even buying a brand new Windows PC earlier this year caused immediate issues on my good monitor. I used to be able to watch Netflix/browse on my iPhone 4/5/6 for long hours like on my PC. In the last few years I can't even do that. Please be reassured that others here are facing the same issues. We don't want to stop using technology but we can't upgrade - it's a catch 22. This isn't even taking into account the fact that for many in the western world using a computer is a means to earn a living. So this issue affects our job prospects, our accessibility to others around us (social media) and our health (headaches/dizziness).
If I don't see any progress in the next year I am going to consider a class action lawsuit or at least find out where I stand legally. I'm still staying optimistic as my gut tells me this is a quick fix and not something mysterious. The effects had to be created therefore they can be removed.
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diop I am sorry for you 
at least i can use the iphone X, OLED TV and PS4 without any problems. Right now my main problem is the notebook that i use everydays for work! I want to try an OLED notebook next year!
P.S. The thing that scares me most are the car displays. I can't buy and return the cars like i can usaly do with the tech stuff !
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Lauda89 I agree, in some cars displays are terrible even for people without the level of sensitivity people in this forum show. A colleague of mine leased Skoda Karoq and at night the car displays are really bright even when reducing brightness. At the car service the technicians applied some kind of tint to all main displays because my colleague complaint about it.
Personally i can tolerate car displays that can be reduced to almost no light. I am thinking to lease a Nissan Qashqai which seemed OK for me when i did a test drive. The lights can be reduced to a very low level via specific buttons.
Will be interesting to see where car displays end up in the era of laws against distracted driving (electronic devices). Apparently Mazda removed the tablet from their new models. Not sure if they just inset it lower or if it's actually gone. I hated that thing. My stepfather has a Mazda and while the tablet doesn't flicker, he is one of those old people who drives at night with it at full daylight brightness and gets upset if you dim it or turn it off. The tablet was also completely useless. Wasn't android or iOS. No apps. No gps. Couldn't do a thing except look at the tailgate camera or change the radio station.
Lauda89 Someone else have found some problems with the last upgrade?
I've observed a definite reduction in comfort levels with something post 1909. But I've not been able to pin down just what it was.
I'm still in the midst of trying older versions of Windows 10. And such a reinstall of everything will take weeks to complete if/when I finally pull the trigger on a downgrade of versions.
degen Yea, I tried the Benq XL2411P but it wasn't ok for me. Anyway, I think it's not just a monitor problem but a combination of display, OS and GPU drivers. Because now I have some problems also with my Alienware 240hz display.. next week I will do a clean install of Windows 1709 and I will see if my problem will be fixed.
This is the list of the monitor I tried two years ago:
BenQ V2400W: It was my first full HD monitor and i think it's a CCFL monitor. I bought it over 10 years ago. No issue with it, I want to try to use it with my actual setup and windows 10 1909 and see if it's still ok or not. Next week I'll try it.
LG 27UD68 4K 27" IPS LED. With this monitor, I had the first symptoms. Redness in the eyes, headache, etc.
AOC I2481FXH FULL HD 24" IPS LED. Same symptoms.
Asus MG248Q FULL HD 24" TN 144hz. It was ok but I didn't like the monitor itself. Really bad colors.
Gurm 1909, for some reason my windows 10 went "bad" a few weeks before Xmas, a bit after I'd upgraded to 1909. I tried all sorts of things to no vail, but strangely things are OK again. I've not been able to put my finger on what changed before or after.
I wasn't imagining the change... (shrug).
I have some problems with consoles but after reading this post im afraid of W10 now.. I use W7 with ryzen 1700/gtx1070 (old drivers from CD) and everything is fine. I guess same as on consoles something bad happend with upodates when HDR come out same is on Windows 10 as I read here...
So I guess the solution is to buy parts which are compatible with W7 and still available and secure yourself for next 10-20 years
Would be risky to use W10 if an update (wchich are mandatory and automatic) can kill my eyes same as on console which I could use for years but now cant for 1 hour... All this sux guys, best to all of you!
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Luki99 So I guess the solution is to buy parts which are compatible with W7 and still available and secure yourself for next 10-20 years
I doubt scarcity of parts will ever be a problem. I could go on eBay now and source parts for a 90's Pentium MMX build and it wouldn't cost too much. People are practically giving that old tech away, it's also proven to last for many years. If USB/SATA get replaced in the next decade, there will always be converter kits and such available.
All the software we use right now will still be practical and usable in 10/20+ years, but there are always paradigm shifts (didn't the industry experts claim the mouse+keyboard would be dead by now?) and it would be the equivalent of using an old-fashioned typewriter today. Still, it's hipster chic .
Luki99 Yeah people should grab site dumps of Intel/Nvidia and OEM's now as drivers do disappear from the web (from official sources at least).
Technically W7 support dropped since Skylake so since the launch of W10 AFAIK all hardware >2015 won't natively run W7.
I am considering jumping onto 8.1, however reading the blurb on the final W7 updates mentions something along the lines of "upgrades to security of compositor"... hmmm.
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I have a backup motherboard same as I use and all the drivers. Thinking of getting some another ryzen+mobo+graphics card to be able to make another one or two machines. Would be a new experience to build another PC in the future of BRAND NEW hardware but from -8-10 years old 
You still can buy mobo for ryzen first gen and skylake+procesors/RAM (thats all u need cause other parts can be newer like power supply etc) brand new and the drivers are still on manufactuer site.
As for native support you are right but after you complete the instalation issues+drivers the only thing u arent oficially getting is W7 updates which I totally accept. I live like that third year now and no need those updates ofc u need to use PC and internet with brain or dualboot and use linux for internet and W7 machine for your games/programs/stuff.
I remembered now that back then here I had my 4k panasonic which was super bad and made my eyes bloody after just 20min with ps4 I tried back then connecting my son's PC with W10 (dont remember which update it was) and the desktop was so bright it strained my eyes fast. After I have bought other TV (SONY) and still same with PS4 - headaches but plugged in my PC with W7 and I'm fine.
There are options althrought it sux being affected by those drivers/screen stuff like most people arent.