Clokwork

This is a super interesting piece of information. If the 6500xt is really dithering free, that would be an option, but it is more or less super weak in games. Well, that means i would need a multi-PC setup 😃

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      Ok, this strangely helped. I am using a super old LG monitor. There is no icc profil for it anymore, so i took an icc profil of a similar LG monitor. That was like 2 weeks ago. Now i deleted EVERY icc profil.

      Now white is calm. Dithering is less or gone, not sure, at least for 6bit white.

      EDIT: I have color tempeture control on "off" setting.

      hayder1983 is it really?? I thought it was supposed to be sufficient…. I’m still currently using an Nvidia 1770

      Correction. It was the 6950 I inquired about. Sorry.

          Clokwork No, sorry. I have "crushed whites" with very high contrast, therefor i couldnt see it on white. My AMD card is unusable to me right now, i get super hard cramps super fast. My body knows it dislikes it.. Right now i am writing from my Steam deck with docking station and in desktop mode(external screen only). If it uses dithering it is less aggressive than my 6600xt(hundreds of € down the drain). I have to try for a few weeks if this is ok for me. Otherwise i need a old ditherfree Nvidia too. 🙁

          At the moment playing video games is not possible for me, my eyes are cramping on my ATI, mildly cramping on my work laptop(external screen only) and steam deck seems ok up till now.

          EDIT No Steam deck is dithering

            @hayder1983 , to what type of dithering are you referring? Temporal or static? I believe we get very different symptoms from screens. I suffer from neurological issues regarding certain screens. Symptoms like inability to focus on any particular part of a screen, dizziness, vertigo…

              Clokwork

              My symptoms are very new to me, last christmas i could do everything, watch TV, play PC Games. Now my eyes dry out superfast, White looks often too sharp, and the screen looks "busy". I think that is dithering and i cant see it on my TV or my phone. Sometimes i get nausea, my BenQ VA Panel is to high contrast, even on lowest setting, killing my eyes fast. IPS and TN Panels are ok.

              I just bought a new gaming PC in June, build it my self and now i have all these symptoms, so i naturally think it is the new PC. Tested an Nvidia, had bad symptoms(only in the eyes), colors were super strange, then send it back, bought the 6600xt. Tested 10+ Monitors. It is super strange. Sometimes everything was ok, then all went to hell again. Now i will try to not use my home PC and test Steam Deck as an Home PC, just to be sure it isnt something related to the 6600xt. The screen still looks busy, but i dont have a better device now and my eyes didnt twitch and i didnt get nausea(until now).

              I will try to do everything with low brightness on my monitor. When my symptoms are gone somehow, i know it might just be my new PC, not any monitor.

              I actually tested sth, that noone should test, because (i think) you can actually damage your monitor with this. In custom resolution you can change the timing of your GPU/Monitor. It was set to CVT-RB. I tried it without RB and somehow i nearly vomitted from looking at the screen. Not sure why. Perhaps there is sth with my brain, but i prefer testing Steam deck before going to the doctor, because they just know what i tell them.

              Additionaly when i dont use the PC for a few weeks, which happened just because i was on holiday, everything was fine. Every screen was fine. No eye pain, no eye drops, watching TV with my son was ok. After that massive eye pain on EVERY screen, but it was my eyes overreacting.

              If you are at peace with you current GPU, then dont upgrade or at least keep every old GPU/mainboard/monitor, so you can downgrade again.

              What does you help when your symptoms act up? Or is it like always there?

                  hayder1983 Don't worry, you won't damage your monitor by changing the modeline you send the display, whether GTF, CVT, CVT-RB, CVT-RBv2, CEA861, etc. If the modeline is out of spec, the monitor will simply go black and put up a dialog saying incorrect input received. I've played with all of those along with different inputs, and I do see differences, and you are able to change the refresh incrementally to dial in the rate you need via this method, but it's a lot of work with very diminishing returns, it's best done for when you want exact video rates like 23.976 etc.

                  With the dock you have for the SD are you using HDMI or Displayport? I have the Valve dock and with the current software/firmware, displayport output is borked, so I am only able to use the HDMI output.. except my only port is occupied, so I'm actually sending it to the DVI port (which is the same video signal, no active adapter needed). I agree it isn't perfect, but it is playable. I mean, I've put like 100 hours into the SD already, though not with 3D games. By our standards here, this is considered a success.

                  You can expect changes.. 3.4 will have a kernel update and a new version of mesa, and Valve will have to push a firmware update to the dock because so many people can't connect their displays. And of course, right now desktop mode is using X11 (I am fine with this) but maybe next year it will be Wayland. Gaming mode interface is using Wayland, desktop mode is not.

                  Here is something you can try if you feel up to it.. get a SD card (or even better, an external USB drive), install Windows to the SD card. Boot into the SD card. Both 10 and 11 will work. See how it is. I don't do this, but a fair few people do because some games need anti-cheat. You can read this sub to figure it out, https://old.reddit.com/r/WindowsOnDeck/

                      Sunspark I am using an Eizo ev2495 with an integrated USB-docking station. I am using an USB-c Cable from monitor to SD, battery is always full. I can fast switch to my work laptop that way. I have like 25 hours now, it is still like 3 weeks old now. I would play some more, but my eyes…

                      I have an SD Card, but i seriously am tired of testing. It think i will leave the SD as it is for now, i just need some PC, that can browse the net and play Full HD netflix and use open office. I will just try SD as it is on dektop mode every day for a week and watch what happens.

                        So i am trying to use my Eizo EV2495 switching between

                        a.) My Win10 work laptop with an intel CPU and integrated GPU(native resolution on external screen)

                        b.) My Steam deck on Desktop mode(native resolution on external screen)

                        c.) AMD 6600XT + Win 10 (super resolution, without it it is unbearable, RGB limited, 8bit colors, DP)

                        Something is causing me nausea with the 6600XT, but not with the other 2 devices. It is like the screen is mildly shaking/vibrating. Perhaps i can get used to it, high chance my eyes are still overreacting, because they are shaking?(psychosomatic)?

                        But my eye strain yesterday was considerably less because of super resolution(3800x2400 instead of 1900x1200). Fonts are really easy to read(not psychosomatic), which i think helps to not think about dithering, which still is visible, but fast reading means i dont see it anymore. And the Eizo ev2495 has the smoothest backlight of all monitors i have ever tested, which helps me using normal brightness levels too.

                        I will share after longer usage of the 3 devices with the same monitor. Having less eye strain should result in the nausea going away at some point OR it gets worse with the 6600xt, but my work laptop/steam deck seems perfectly fine even without any tweaks. Steam Deck OS is clunky, but watching movies and using the browser for news/social media is perfectly fine. Work laptop has a horrible in built screen, but with external screen it is super easy to use and read.

                        Another point: the ATI 6600xt produces a somehow different picture and fonts look different, than on steam deck/work laptop/old GPU. Perhaps my eyes are trying to "catch" every pixel by "zooming in" and super resolution somehow is helping my eyes not trying it.

                          hayder1983 gonna check super resolution with it too on my benq 4k.

                          hayder1983 Perhaps my eyes are trying to "catch" every pixel by "zooming in" and super resolution somehow is helping my eyes not trying it.

                          Is it like each eye trying to go to opposite directions when you are reading something? I got like sometime's

                                hayder1983 The steam deck use an AMD APU with RDNA2 like your 6600XT so the same architecture.

                                The "only difference" is the software, W10 vs steam OS.

                                Did you try W11?

                                  WeinTrust no, it is like fonts and pictures looking fake oversharp somtimes with blinking subpixels on fonts. Edges are super hard to look at but only on my home pc. Even movies are harder to look at. Lowering sharpness on monitor settings never makes it better. my 6600xt is the only device i own that results in this symptoms. Higher brightness on native resolution makes it more visible somehow. But it is much much much better with super resolution.

                                  Lauda89"#p24023 No, but i intend to try it. I will do a clean install, but not sure when i will have time for that… may take a few days.

                                    I took they do off early and installed win11. Short version: Did a clean install, installed AMD Prodrivers, monitor drivers, icc profile, everything looks different now. Win11 accepted my Win10 serial key, didnt cost me anything. Actually even the installing tool of windows looked totally smooth, fonts very easy readable. Nothing pops out of the screen, everything is really calm. Win11 on my home PC is now even better than my work laptop. No shaking, my eyes are relaxing.

                                    I did change my BIOS to UEFI mode(had it on a compatibity mode before), which changed a lot of other settings too. Perhaps this was a motherboard issue/BIOS issue too? Perhaps ClearType is now different? No nausea anymore, it is really really strange.

                                    Did try Cyberpunk2077, but i cant spot a difference. The big difference is windows itself, browser usage, movies on browser.

                                    It only has been an hour of usage now, but this is a huge improvement.

                                    I dont use super resolution atm, everything on native resolution. 🙂

                                      hayder1983 Really nice! 🙂

                                      This weekend i will change my computer from a ryzen 1700X to a ryzen 7900X and i am pretty scared..

                                      I change everything except SSD and GPU so I don't have to format.

                                      I'll try use my actual SSD without formatting (W10 21H1) and if I'm not sick, I'll make a backup and i'll try to do a clean installation of W11 (22H2).

                                      Then, next year I will have to change GPU because I am stuck with RX480 for fear of being sick..

                                        Well do it only with a backup of your current system, but hey it seems to help.

                                        Perhaps the driver for the 6600xt is optimized only for Win11 and sth strange happens on Win10? I really really dont know, but it is super calm now.

                                        You could just buy an SSD and keep the old. That way you send it back when the upgrade fails. They are cheap now 🙂

                                          hayder1983
                                          Yea i have two SSD at home 1 980PRO e 1 860 EVO so i can try to keep the actual data (980PRO) or a new installation of W11(860EVO) without loosing my good software setup 😉

                                          I will let you know!

                                            For your information:

                                            Win11 is helping me alot, it feels a lot like my very old PC(RX 580, Win10 22H???) now. I am sure, there is some dithering i think, but seems like it wasnt the thing that killed my eyes all this time.

                                            These are my specs, perhaps sharing helps some of you:

                                            Win11 22H2, Mainboard in UEFI mode(before Win10 22H2, but not in UEFI mode)

                                            Intel i5 12400F, MSI ProB660-A DDR4, 32GB Gskill RipJaws V DDR4-3200, Asus Dual AMD Radeon RX6600XT OC Edition

                                            Eizo EV2495, Super Resolution(it is even better in win11), 3800x2400, RGB limited, 8bit Colors, no GPU scaling(GPU scaling is slightly altering the picture not sure it is better or worse)

                                            Monitor Settings: Paper, Brightness 50-60(dependant on daylight situation), 5000K, Icc used "EV2495 User 5000K G2.2.icc"

                                            Drivers: AMD-Software Pro Edition 22Q3-Win10-Win11, Full Installation

                                            Using high contrast setting "desert" in win11, which actually is eye sooting

                                            I did not test other monitors now, but i am so happy, that it somehow works togehter, that i will just leave it like that for some days. For some reason i can use this setup even without my glasses 🙂

                                            Using this Setup(6600xt, win11 22H2) for 2 days now and my worklaptop(Intel integrated GPU, win10 22H2) on external screen. I think Intel Win10 is better on my eyes, but i can not pinpoint why. My Eyestrain has gotten better with the 6600xt, by a lot, but Intel GPU is softer, dont know why. Without super resolution i still have some problems with the 6600xt, but not with the Intel.

                                            I think if someone would try some new Desktop PC my suggestion would be, try only Intel CPU with integrated GPU & external GPU on top, so you can switch between them, Intel GPU on Desktop and external GPU on games. My processor is like for 20€ more you could have bought it with an integrated GPU. I think there is dithering on both, but my eyes can handle it now, for some reason, it was sth else that didnt work for me.

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