Flicker free LED lights

Can you import old regular bulbs from other countries? Maybe that's an option. In Europe they are not manufactured anymore but you can still buy them. The factories have produced large stocks before the ban. 1 bulb 60W = ~0,90 to 1,20 €

Edit: Maybe they'll be much darker because of the difference 220V vs 110V

JTL Whatever anyone thinks of current or past executive administrations in the US (and nothing to be gained by discussing it either), Congress is and has been in the hands of lobbyists for decades. Best thing is to put pressure on your local elected representative. and let them know where you stand, showing common decency and if they are of your political ideology, you could let them know you are willing to help with their primary or something like that. I'm not American so I can't help but in my experience in dealing with politicians calling is much more effective than other methods to apply pressure.

Let me try to get to stear this to a productive thing: Interesting you bring up the eco-friendly -> cancer thing. CFL and LED consumer lighting has a high content of high-energy blue visible light which is damaging to the skin and eyes. I doubt if a cancer connection could ever be proven although it is possible a correlation could be made although this is highly unlikely for a large study on this to occur. This is one of the most easy things to convince people about LED as opposed to "flicker" which people tune out when you start talking about. It's a great way to start conversation about LED and CFL lighting.

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So I pretty much quoted your "CFL and LED consumer lighting has a high content of high-energy blue visible light which is damaging to the skin and eyes" and made it a post on my facebook. As per usual, I was getting people to comment saying how the environment is supreme and LED is all hands down the best choice due to the energy saving qualities and the fact taht it has a long life (telling me like as if I was unaware of such an obvious fact). One of them even worked with phillips to develop LED lights to lessen the blue light. And I was also getting the same old usual "a lot of people have this problem too, try warm LED lights, glasses, etc etc" No one seems to be able to think outside the box aside from the solutions that are already present that don't work for people like us. I wish I could say they're ignorant because these environmentalists aren't looking at any further solutions like research, they think they know it all and "LED > all" is set. But do/should they really even have to care about this when we're pretty much 0.0025% of the population?

I hate LED's.

so you're saying none of those incandescent bulbs that are available now are anything close to something you guys are ok with like the way they used to be? or are they acceptable?

I am experimenting with 60W 120v chandelier incandescent bulbs with A19 adapters. I also loaded up with about 800 incandescent bulbs before they were gone.

Can you import old regular bulbs from other countries?

I have not found a way to do this.

Or just pushed by the LED lobby and such

This is very much the case. The margin on "eco friendly" bulbs is vastly higher than incandescents. Lighting manufacturers largely wrote the EISA bill and lobby'd it through Cngress under the guise of energy efficiency.

Best thing is to put pressure on your local elected representative. and let them know where you stand, showing common decency and if they are of your political ideology, you could let them know you are willing to help with their primary or something like that

I 100% agree and ask everyone effected to call their elected official and tell them how they feel about the issue. The fact there is already existing legislation, the BULB Act, that is written and on record makes it very easy for them to re-introduce.

I suppose the lightbulbs regulation is one of the things he wants to get rid of.

It is literally the single issue I agree with Trump on, and I have written the White House corespondence email address asking for the President to address the issue. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

And I'm sure accidently ingesting the mercury in CFL's would cause lots of harm and poisoning.

Not only that. Very few people dispose of CFL's properly. They just throw them in the trash, and that mercury then gets into landfills. LED manufacturer requires an array of toxic chemicals.

It could be possible to be energy efficient and eye-healthy lighting if there was more interest and money towards it.

Incandescent light bulbs are already energy efficient. We're talking 60 watts here. Thats a pittance of electricity. Going after incadecent light bulbs to save money is like hoping to lose weight by eating one less bite of a extra large pepperoni pizza. It's not going to make a difference. There is also reports that the lack of heat from CFL's and LED's drives up home heating usage in colder areas.

I don't really think people like us even have the choice of reducing interest in this kind of issue

I disagree. Read about Clair Patterson. Nearly single handedly got the Clean Air Act pased which banned lead from gasoline. Leaded gasoline caused the average citizen no immediately noticable symptoms and generated millions in profits from chemical companies. It was also poisioning the atmosphere.

As the quote goes, "Never believe that one man with one idea can't change the world. Indeed it's the only thing that has"

Just make your voice hear. Call your officials. Talk to people and educate them. Successes have been made. Read about Davis, CA. The resident successfully had the LED streetlighting the city installed removed.

LED is all hands down the best choice due to the energy saving qualities

Yeah, marketing is a bitch. People think these things matter. A single coal fired power plant more than generates enough pollution to negate the savings of every single LED bulb in the world. All you can do is point to facts, and remind people that saving a few cents in electricity is not a fair trade off for our suffering. Ask them if they are OK with LED's causing migraines for the estimated 33 million people in the US effected by this issue, and if they feel that is worth the negligible energy savings.

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and made it a post on my facebook

People are always going to sway to whatever the popular opinion is on Facebook and pile-on is common. This is only the kind of conversation I would have with my friends or family or someone I had been easing this on to for a while.

Thinking from their perspective. After being told ceaslesly for years that they are bad for the environment for using incandescent and getting pro-LED lit slammed down their throat from everywhere from their hardware store to their power company, they spent hundreds of dollars outfitting their house with LEDs.. They are now emotionally invented in LED technology and going on Facebook and saying:

"Hey, just wanted to let you know that you made a bad choice and you are hurting your spouse and kids with dangerous light"

Is not going to win them to your side. You have to have to take a nuanced approach and work on one person at a time, easing them into your viewpoint. I didn't mean you should literally go and say those words to a big crowd. You are/were in real danger of being labelled an alarmist and quack publicly.

Social media is the worst place for this as the empathy component of your interaction is screwed when they can't see your face.

I'm sorry for my previous post and hope things work out ok on Facebook for you and people drop it. I definetely shouldn't have said it's easy. For me I've found it's a viable approach with some but not all. Whereas not a single person has been receptive to the flicker argument, even when it comes to a super intimate setting like lighting in my own home I had to look to other arguments. (The only person I ever got to acknowledge that LED flicker even exists was some guy working at a lighting shop who said that it screwed up his slow-mo videos )

I hate Facebook and only ever post the most generic things possible there to give the illusion of a semi-active account.

Edit: Optometrists and opticians are now being fed "electronic devices are bad for your eyes cause blue light" from lens manufacturers who want to sell super expensive coatings. It's very official and reputable looking stuff and so they eat it up. How they square this belief with the overhead fluorescent lighting in their offices is a mystery to me. (Also not everyone needs glasses? What are those people supposed to do?)

Another thing is don't do this in a PSA style. It makes people feel like you are lecturing to them and no one likes that.