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  • Win10 finally caught up to me, and I might be losing my career because of it

Kray Sorry to hear about your situation. If all else fails, you might want to try buying a portable analogue projector, and use that as your main display. Get a small portable white screen (if your office desk is not facing a blank wall), connect the projector via vga on your work pc/laptop, and look at the white screen as your main display. Whatever flickering, dithering and that elusive unknown cause of eye strain will likely stay on the LED display, but you are not looking at the LED display, you are looking at a blank wall or a small white screen that the projector is projecting the desktop from your pc/laptop. Might be worth a try. Unfortunately, people in our situation need to invest (to try out new laptop, parts etc) and do many trial and errors to see what works. Hope this works for you.

I've tried projectors in the past, I still get symptoms.

It seems patching my dominant eye is helpful across more than just the eInk monitor. I saw my eye doctor and he tested me extensively and recommended I get some glasses made with a mild amount of proscription change in them and a 2 diopter prism (1 in each eye). I dropped those off to get made today and should have them in a week or so.

I also may go see a nuerolens place just so they can use thier testing machine on me and try to remove my subjective interpretation of what different things are doing while I am testing lenses and changes in strength and prism.

      ensete I've tried projectors in the past, I still get symptoms.

      Interesting… I've been curious about the projector angle for quite some time now. Sadly I sold my old DLP project a few years back (was ok but I could see rainbows and fringing) so don't have anything to test. And ensete's suggestion got me wondering/intrigued.

      Does anyone else have experience with projector tech? Maybe LCD based ones are problematic vs say DLP? Or Maybe DLP have their own issues (wheel speed, rainbows)?

          AgentX20

          I cant remember the one I used, it was a little mini projector from Amazon. I suppose I could try a more advanced projector setup, but my latest theory (that it is Windows 10 DWM causing the issue) means the display technology used is irrelevant, the picture is being rendered in a way that screws with binocular focus.

              ensete

              Has patching made Windows 10 usable enough that you can keep your job?

                  ryans Has patching made Windows 10 usable enough that you can keep your job?

                  In the short term, it has. I am hoping progress continues and it leads to even more tolerance. As it is now I can use Windows 10 patched for a few hours a day and be OK as long as I limit exposure to about 30 minutes or less at a time and keep total length of exposure less than 3 or so hours, and with careful enough planing around meeting schedules and scheduling screen intensive tasks I can manage that in the short term

                  The real goal is to get a non Windows 10 machine for work, but patching seems to have at least stabilized the short term issue to give me time to try and find that non Win10 solution

                    Sorry to hear of your situation!

                    I was fortunate in the Dell Latitude 5280 Laptop that I use for work (with the night light on 100% and adjusted for brightness) did not cause me significant eye strain (except from the monitor being very small -- that's a different issue) until Windows 10 recently underwent a "re-image" with a message that the old graphics driver was no longer supported and thus removed. The funny thing is I don't see much of a change to the screen. However, I do feel it quite immediately when I'm using.

                    As such, I will see if I can use it with a projector as another poster suggested. I'm hoping by not facing the monitor, I can avoid the light from the monitor shining directly into my eyes although it's not bright at all -- I probably could use it at a higher setting for better visibility. Also, I hope by having a larger image, I can sit farther away, not needing to use close-up vision as much. (The small screen is rather hard to see, which causes regular eye strain, but that doesn't have anything to do with the light emitted from it or the issue we're talking about here).

                    Beyond that, I might spend the money ($1,000) for some Neurolenses. I hesitate, though, because in natural light, I don't need a prescription. Also, I don't think it's just an eye issue, although I do have severe dry eye.

                    How I wish I could go back to the original setting! However, I am prohibited from doing so because of my work.

                    Good luck in your search for an answer! Please keep us posted!

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                    Other Ideas:

                    FL-41 Filter Added to Rx Glasses or Alone (If no coating on existing lenses, can be added for about ~$40).

                    F.Lux or IRIS for computer.

                    MSM Eye Drops.

                    Check if overhead lighting makes your symptoms worse. I can only use incandescent with a shaded desk lamp (and natural sunlight).

                      Flicker-Free Have you tried patching? A few of us (Gurm and myself at least) have lately found some relief with an eyepatch covering an eye when using Windows 10

                        I installed Windows 10 LTSB 2015 on an old computer, that has an Intel graphics card from like 2006. Everything was fine, until Windows 10 auto-installed a graphics driver it had downloaded from the Internet automatically. The screen flashed, the resolution went up to native resolution, you could see the desktop's animations had become smooth. And the eye strain kicked in immediately. My left eye hurts so bad now. I will try setting up an RDP connection from a safe machine. It has already worked with Linux + VNC. I think for us the only way to keep using operating systems that employ this eye-straining mechanism (whatever it is) is to connect via LAN from a safe machine over some remote protocol. Finding a safe device/OS(/GPU) + safe remote software combination is another challenge though. I think if in doubt, an old XP computer would work that you know is safe for you (and has Internet access disabled for security reasons).

                          KM

                          For me even remote connections to Windows 10 from a good host trigger my symptoms

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                              Flicker-Free FL-41 Filter Added to Rx Glasses or Alone (If no coating on existing lenses, can be added for about ~$40).

                              F.Lux or IRIS for computer.

                              MSM Eye Drops.

                              Check if overhead lighting makes your symptoms worse. I can only use incandescent with a shaded desk lamp (and natural sunlight).

                              Tried all those things (and many may more) to no relief

                                  ensete For me even remote connections to Windows 10 from a good host trigger my symptoms

                                  Have you tried Teamviewer? In my experience with it (Bad W10/Mac Host Machine/Good Client Machine) I haven't noticed any issues. You can set it to LAN only and just connect to the host IP. I was using a W10 PC and a Mac Mini as a media/file server for some time and relied on Teamviewer to connect to it and bulk rename files, edit text documents etc.

                                    I haven't gone over this thread, but I've been using KDE Neon and like it. It installs easily and does what I need it to do.

                                    a year later

                                    @ensete How are you doing with Windows? Still patching?

                                    What I have been doing for years is projecting or remote viewing my work laptop to my good laptop, works like a charm and you can upgrade your work laptop and keep you own PC where it at.. try that.

                                    About teamviewer, anydesk, and another one I can't remember right now: they are officially known to monitor your desktop. I stopped using them some time ago.

                                      Alyosha2001 I also agree with this concern. In addition TeamViewer in particular was targeted in remote attacks where malicious hackers managed to gain access to arbitrary users computers without any passwords or permission from the end users. The TeamViewer company tried to downplay these incidents saying the fault of the intrusions was on the end users, when it was TeamViewer's server that were quite possibly compromised.

                                        5 days later

                                        I had a similar issue at work recently. My work laptop was a macbook pro. It was fine for a number of years. Recently upgraded the OS to Monterey. As soon as it rebooted I had instant eye strain / pain.

                                        Alyosha2001 Citrix workspace has the same functionality, not sure about security but it is being used by many companies.

                                          Glad to hear that! I took one day, once, and I got through all the RDP alternatives I could find and settled to Parsec, which you can do video editing on, as it has very small lag, and RustDesk, which is open source and does his job very well.

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