Clokwork Not entirely sure. My current working theory is with certain Nvidia cards the VBIOS at a certain version may have gotten dithering forced to be always on.

The limited data here suggest something is potentially up, but inconclusive without enough samples.

      JTL I’m sorry if this has been covered before, but nobody at Nvidia is able to be reached for comment? This seems like if it made it past the first two tiers of customer service it might actually get to someone who knows the answer.

      • JTL replied to this.

          Clokwork Big tech companies are "siloed" off enough that the actual engineering team and customer support are several layers of abstraction from each other.

          Who can blame them? If they weren't than everyone and their dog would be harassing the actual engineering division with trivial problems.

          From what I understand customer support claims nothing is different. Although perhaps we're asking the wrong questions...

            9 days later

            Hello) I'm desperate, so I'm joing the club(

            Had very old computer with Nvidea 560 ti and all was OK with my eyes, until I buy myself new computer for work. My eyes hurt and I really afraid for my vision( I have one 'lazy' eye so my eye sight is not binocular. But I must work for hours with new machine and I want to work on it outside my job as well, but my eyes hurt and strained for 2 weeks now, And I don't know, what to do, I can't afford new GPU х(

            I have ASUS motherboard with ASUS 1660 ti. Tried several monitors with no luck. Tried DVI > HDMI adapter on GPU - same strain. New working week seems like nightmare, I'm constantly on eye gel and eyedrops and in constant dread for permanent eye damage(

            Tried to plug my monitor to motherboard to check if effect the same, but it had no signal( Is there ANY decision for this? Or is there any chance for eyes to get use to new conditions and this feeling go away? x( Sometimes I think, that it gets better, than in the begging, but maybe it's just self-suggestion...

              chaosgrape Do you need a strong GPU for work?

              If not, you could consider using the integrated Intel graphics or selling your 1660 Ti and buying a used Kepler Nvidia card.

                  degen I'm a graphic designer and illustrator( I cant work on integrated card, 'cause soft is very demanding, especially 3D( I build this PC, 'cause my old one cannot provide me normal work at all. And I only have this PC and I can't prpovide myself with extra time to do this and stay without PC at all at some time. But it seems there is no any option?

                    8 days later

                    reaganry Well, the problem with that is we have multiple threads for multiple GPUs so...

                      9 days later

                      I now have (no money) a 3060ti and a 2060 to test. They are both largely the same, I feel the 2060 doesnt affect me as much as the 3060ti however it is still significant.

                      Everything is the same, only difference is GPU. I reinstalled drivers same version but same issue.

                      Initially on day 1 with 2060 I could feel it hurt my eyes, they felt sore initially, this pain slowly got worse then I feel from my head, I can feel pain inside my head, it gest worse, pressure pain, I feel disorentated, my head feels heavy and there is significant pressure pain. Eye drops help my eye issues as it feels my eye gets very dry.

                      I test monitor output (IPS and TN tested PWM free no flicker) on full and limited RGB, full is slightly brighter when using a light meter app, I get symptoms on either setting though but testing on limited as it slightly dims the color intensity

                      This 'migraine' continues for several hours after stopping use of the machine, into the next day. Exposure for only a few minutes is enough to cause symptoms.

                      I use my 1660super though, everything is ok, no issues at all.

                      My last resort is to try another monitor, I do not own a VA monitor so I'll try to get one of those.

                      • JTL replied to this.

                        HAL9000 My last resort is to try another monitor, I do not own a VA monitor so I'll try to get one of those.

                        Don't think that's going to help if the card itself is so problematic.

                            JTL

                            My only thought is that the card controls what the output does on the screen, but perhaps the monitor technology can also affect things. I have to rule it out otherwise I'll never know.

                            If i had a CRT I'd try that as well but I dont think there are any left.

                            I will at some point also try it on my very old CCFL TN screen that has PWM but never caused me problems (unless it was the cause of all my problems)

                            What else is money for anyway but spending….

                            edit: because my 1660s is not ok with my high refresh ips screen, but is ok with my normal ips screen. I get very similar symptoms from the high refresh screen even on a lower refresh rate. This is my thinking that maybe a VA panel will work with the RTX cards

                              24 days later

                              It didnt work 🙁

                              Trying again on my TN screen but setting SRGB windows defaults and icc profile seems to be helping a bit but its not a cure just again allows me to 'bounce back' after using the 2060 quicker. I had similar with the 3060ti but eventually I had to stop testing each day as I couldnt take the pain and discomfort.

                              10 days later
                              • I bought a PC two years ago, a GTX1650 graphics card, and a Monitor. From the first 30 minutes, I felt a burning in my eyes and pain in my left eye. I left it for a week and had dry eyes until now. I thought the problem was with the screen . I tried 3 Monitor from different companies. I bought 4 blue light glasses, I sold the PC and bought  MSI GF63 laptop, GTX1650 graphics card, and I still suffer from the same problem.  Please, my life has turned into hell. I majored in computer science at the university and I cannot look at the screen for 10 minutes. I tried everything except changing the graphics card. I am thinking of buying a laptop with an AMD graphics card, provided that the graphics card is not modern because the new graphics cards I expect are causing me eye strain،please any advice?  Knowing that I have had a Dell laptop for 7 years and I have not had any problems

                                Mrwan Sorry to hear you are having a hard time.. there are some possibilities to explore.. reflective-LCD display (no backlight), e-ink display, OLED display.

                                Don't buy any more laptops or displays until you get a setup that is "stable" for you and then you can start exploring.. do you still have that Dell laptop?

                                    Sunspark yes

                                    computer name: DELL-PC The operating system: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-y (6.1, Build 7601)  Dell Inc. System manufacturer: Inspiron N5110 System Model: BIOS BIOS Date: 09/30/11 14:31:19 Ver:04.06.04 Healer. ntel(R) Core(TM) i3-2350M CPU @ 2.30GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.3GHz memory: 4096MB RAM Page file: There are 2459 MB in use and 5543 MB available DirectX version DirectX 11

                                    Drivers the device Intel(R) HD Graphics Family Main driver: mdx32,igd10umd32,igd10umd32 The name Intel Corporation the manufacture company: 8.15.10.2342 Version: slide type: Intel(R) HD Graphics Family Date. PM 6:17:46 3/25/2011 Internal DAC . type Posted by WHQL yes Approximated total memory: MB 1696 DDI . version 10.1 1366 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz) current display mode: Driver model:WDDM 1.1 Generic PnP Monitor data show

                                      Sunspark I am sure that the problem is in the graphics card because I tried everything, I had a PlayStation 4 and I was playing on a large Samsung screen and I arrived I was not facing any eye strain, I connected the laptop to the screen and nothing changed, only eye strain

                                        2 months later

                                        greddy i think i have found solution for your problem. Same as you, i get eye strain for gpu card like rtx 3050, 3060ti,3070,2060. Then i change my prosesor from ryzen 3500x to i5 12400. And i switch the display hdmi from gpu rtx 3070 to the hdmi motherboard. So i use igpu intel HD. And voila, my eyestrain is gone. Even if i play a game.in game option i still can choose to use rtx 3070 but without eye strain. Hope this can help u

                                            ludwig Nice solution! Any downside? Like an increases of latency?

                                            Since I started having this problem I haven't changed PC so I am still stuck with a ryzen 1700X + RX480 + Alienware aw2518hf.

                                            I have never had a problem with this setup except with windows 10 2004 where I was literally destroyed. I am now using 21H1.

                                            I need to change the whole PC but I am thinking to change everything except the GPU (with a ryzen 7900X) and try not to format. If all goes well, I will try to format with W11.

                                            Then next year change the GPU to a 4070 / 7800.

                                            Buying an intel 13 series would have the advantage of having intel video output, however I would definitely have to format if I switch from amd to intel!

                                            What a stress not to be able to buy what you want and be happy!

                                                dev